Brats these days

mittenkrust

I basically agree, that is because I am a "mature" student(age 27) and the current stare of mainly 18-20 year olds but even up to about 24 is the younger they are the less respect they have.

Its more ignroance on many levels than lack of respect, I know friendly people age 18-21 but even being friendly often I see the shocking attitude they have towards certain things.

I think its hugely to blame on the fact that everyone even the working class has become psuedo middle class, its just the working class complain more about it and say they are poor,(I am from the "lower" classes btw before anyone starts) i.e I know people in their twenties with glam clothes and bling lime Iphones and they seem to be getting more and more arrogant every year as they are trained as such to think that if you dont have something then its your fault and dont blame anyone else.

One of the worst was when this guy was saying all homeless people were on the streets as they didnt want to improve their lives and it was easy not to be homeless, same for drug users, people from low income families/on benefits etc and theres no excuses!

They seem to treat life like its a fashion show or like Hollywood and everyone has to look the best and have the latest gadgets and fashion and look down on others yet think they have their own style yet are basically sheep.

ellissa

Lack of basic respect for children makes my blood boil, but at the same time so do children who are allowed to say/do as they please!

It infuriates me when adults nearly send my step daughters (6 & 10) flying in town by barging past them in shops. DSDs know good manners and will happily move out of the way if asked to excuse me - why just barge past/into them if the child has not seen you to be be able to move out of the way???

As a teacher, I see daily the evidence of appauling parenting but then I am pleased to say I also see fantastic parenting. I don't wish to get into a debate about the role of teachers tho so enough said on that!

This summer hols we went camping and I was totally livid by 12-16 yr olds running around screaming and shouting in between tents at all hours of the night, swearing (so badly that DSDs commented on how bad the language was), tripping over our tent causing the pegs to come out. Their parents said nothing. I politely asked them to stop, explaining DSDs were in bed and could they avoid our tent please but I understand they were on their hols and still wanted them to have fun - kids apologised politely and stopped. Fab, I thanked them. However, I also witnessed others asking them to stop and being given a torrent of abuse from said kids.

I was also appauled to witness a father f'ing and blinding at the top of his voice to his daughter, even using the C word because she was asking quietly when they could go to the beach - the little girl had been standing by his side whilst he played in the amusement arcade for some time.

At the end of the day, who am I to judge? I just know what kind of manners/vaues/respect I'd like my own DSDs to have (and my own kids eventually!) I'd be stunned if they screamed at anyone until they listened, said 'I want, I want' or threw tantrums. Don't get me wrong, we've been thru it once or twice in the past and DSDs know how we respond to this and therefore do not do it (not with us but at home its a different story apparently!).

I hate it when people (the 'kids-these-days' brigade) tar all kids with the same brush, they are not all anti-social, manner-less brats. There is a minority (hopefully only a minority) like that but I'm not sure it is the kids to blame. More importantly, there are some wonderful kids around with great manners and behaviour.

However, increasingly frequently I see the behaviour of some children/young adults and even their parents and I do dread what society might be like in 20 yrs time.

Ells

poet123

unholyangel wrote: »

Does it annoy anyone else when a kid will stand screaming "mum" for 10 minutes rather than walk 20 yards into the house to talk to her?

Or when adults dont teach their kids proper manners? Such as the basic "please" and "thank you" ? I absolutely HATE when kids do the "i want......" then when you ask them to say please they'll say no. You tell them then you're not getting and they start throwing a tantrum while screaming "but i WANT it!!!"????

For any parent who thinks their kid will hate them for not giving them what they "want"..........forget what they want, what they NEED is discipline. They need to learn respect. And trust me when i say, your kid will love you for it when they're older.

Yes it may be hard to refuse them when they're causing a scene but if they know you mean no when you say no, they'll be less likely to throw strops in future. It may be easier in the short run but in the long run, you'll only be shooting yourself in the foot.

It may take them until they're in their 20's to realise you were doing it for their own good but they will realise it. They will realise you did it out of love and not just to be mean.

And yes there are a lot of parents out there who try to do their best but some people need to understand that doing your best isnt necessarily giving the kids everything they want.

There will ALWAYS be a new toy they want, there will ALWAYS be something their friend has that they dont or that their friend can do but they cant.

But at the end of the day, when they have a family of their own, wouldnt you rather be satisfied that you raised your kids right and that they're now responsible adults who know the value of money, that appreciate what they do have instead of moaning about what they dont have and that have manners, morals and family values? The kind of kids who will visit when you're sick, ask you if you need anything from the shops etc?

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Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say, can I ask do you speak from experience? do you have children?

unholyangel

poet123 wrote: »

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Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say, can I ask do you speak from experience? do you have children?

Would it likely annoy me so much if i didnt?

poet123

unholyangel wrote: »

Would it likely annoy me so much if i didnt?

Moot point,:D some people comment from a position of judgement or a perceived academic stance rather than personal experience.

unholyangel

poet123 wrote: »

Moot point,:D some people comment from a position of judgement or a perceived academic stance rather than personal experience.

Well without going too much into detail on my own circumstances......no i'm not a mother biologically. But i am responsible for parenting children (and no, i'm not doing it as a "job").

poet123

unholyangel wrote: »

Well without going too much into detail on my own circumstances......no i'm not a mother biologically. But i am responsible for parenting children (and no, i'm not doing it as a "job").

Then that would obviously give you a different perspective to biological mothers. I didn't actually think you were coming at the issue from the same perspective as a biological parent which was why I asked.:D

unholyangel

poet123 wrote: »

Then that would obviously give you a different perspective to biological mothers. I didn't actually think you were coming at the issue from the same perspective as a biological parent which was why I asked.:D

And a biological mothers perspective differs from an step/adoptive/foster mother in which way?

Just because the blood link isnt there doesnt mean the mentality/emotions arent.

poet123

unholyangel wrote: »

And a biological mothers perspective differs from an step/adoptive/foster mother in which way?

Just because the blood link isnt there doesnt mean the mentality/emotions arent.

The perspective is different, and that difference comes across in your posting. Note I said different, no more no less. I wasn't questioning the mentality ( whatever that means) nor the emotional bond, merely commenting on your post as I perceived it.

unholyangel

poet123 wrote: »

The perspective is different, and that difference comes across in your posting. Note I said different, no more no less. I wasn't questioning the mentality ( whatever that means) nor the emotional bond, merely commenting on your post as I perceived it.

Please feel free to explain the difference. If i had said i had no children would you say its obvious from my posting? Do i have the same perspective as someone with no children (previous posters who are biological parents who have agreed with me with nip that in the bud)?

Or merely do i have the attitude of a responsible parent who understands that how i bring up my children will affect their lives in ways that are - essentially - limitless?

A biological link doesnt affect your "perspective" as opposed to another parent who has no biological link. Your own character and attitude (as well as upbringing) does along with emotional attachment.

Quite frankly, i know biological mothers who i wouldnt trust to look after a goldfish for a week, never mind their own children. Or are you implying that sharing DNA with a child magically gives someone a certain insight as a parent?

Apologies if you didnt intend it in that regard but its certainly the way it came across to me.