Brats these days

unholyangel

PinkLipgloss wrote: »

Then there's the teacher bashing argument that everything wrong with society is the fault of teachers.

Personally i feel parenting (or at least discipline) should be left largely up to the parents. ie there used to be a teacher here that would dig her diamond cluster engagement ring into the backs of children misbehaving. I dont feel thats necessary although in todays schools, she would be sacked.

cyberbob wrote: »

Not that your being judgemental or anything and jumping to conclusions without knowing the full background.

Not that you're being judgemental or anything and jumping to conclusions without knowing that i have no background knowledge? For the kids in particular i was talking about, i do actually have background knowledge.

5 years studying psychology (half of which focused on child psychology specifically) also means that in some situations (not all obviously), its painfully apparent why kids act certain ways in certain situations.

You would be suprised how heavily reliant on their parents children are. For instance, your relationship with your parents will also likely affect any relationships you have as an adult.

And yes its very cliche to say its down to parenting but at the end of the day, has anyone stopped to think that perhaps its cliche because its the truth in the majority of cases? Problem is, parents dont like anyone saying bad things about their parenting or their kids. Its human nature.

missdee85

Wow its not just me thats noticing these things!!!

For the first time in what seemed forever me and my partner had a walk through town without my son the other day and i was disgusted at the manners (lack of them) in children but i was also so porud of my 5 year old son who has grasped manners while a 12 year old clearly cant or wont.

I thought that most people had brought their kids up with manners after all a please and thank you is hardly hugely time consumming but it seems not me and my partner must have seemed like moany old sods to them after a while we got fed up of letting people past parents included without them saying thank you so we just say loudly enough for them to hear but not loud enough for everyone in the shop to hear - oh your welcome, no problem then etc etc in regards to their manners.

I swear when i was young if i had behaved in public or in private the way most kids do now-a-days i would have got a rather large smack nothing too severe but hard enough and now i am very grateful for it otherwise who knows i could have turned out like one of them!!!

PinkLipgloss

unholyangel wrote: »

Personally i feel parenting (or at least discipline) should be left largely up to the parents.

Agreed.

Attachment Disorder illustrates this point perfectly.

Big_Melons

lolly_896 wrote: »

Try having a autistic child whom looks like a normal child and judgemental people seem to think he is a brat being dragged up!

I have one that luckily enough behaves in public but my friends son can be a nightmare and had a meltdown in WH Smith once, the cashier said he needed a slap... soon changed her tune when I told her what he had, some don't when u explain it to them, theres too many small minded people out there.

Mankysteve

WhiteHorse wrote: »

Hm. You are obviously fairly young. I'm afraid that the teaching profession is (largely, but not entirely. Parents and politicians are also at fault), responsible for the current condition. "Give me the child and I will give you the man ..."

I am old enough to remember the takeover of the educational system by the lunatic Left. At one time or another, every hare brained scheme in creation was adopted and inflicted on the luckless children. And with every twist and turn, the system collapsed a little bit further.

Beat em. beat them if there good beat em if there bad. that what i say bring back the good old cain.

The reason why the "Lunatic Left" got to take over is because the Lunatic right were failing. If they weren't nobody would have complained and the system would still be the same.

Not that the current is system is perfect.

impy78

PinkLipgloss wrote: »

unholyangel,


A school I used to work in had a nursery attached. A four year old child joined and had no concept of toilet training (wet herself and then continued playing like nothing had happened). When the staff challenged her mother about his (it's an understanding that children are toilet trained BEFORE joining) she looked disguised and remarked, "Well - that's YOUR job isn't it?"

I've come across that before. Fortunately, the manager of the nusery refused to take the child back until they were toilet-trained, backed by the LEA.

DCFC79

Kids just dont know manners these days whether thats down to the parents or other factors i dont know, i was taught manners and was also taught to not persistantly ask for stuff when id been told no.

It seems the past 10 years or so manners have gone down the drain and kids demand a toy or sweets and the parent panders to they're needs which isnt how it should be.

Mr.Mulla

I think it all boils down to teaching the child at an early age, as soon as they can understand, which is wrong and which is right. And setting a good example to them. It will be difficult to teach a child something once they have already learned the habit, but if it is done from the beginning then it won't be any problem at all.
Disciplining won't be difficult and frustrating if the parents would just spend a lot of time teaching their children which is right and which is wrong.

chocsessential

I agree it is down to the parents. At my daughter's school I see parents with no manners or social skills at all, and unsurprisingly their children are just the same. I have taught my daughter to be fair, kind and good mannered; she has a reputation amongst the teachers for being polite and helpful. It takes little effort from me because she has been shown how to behave properly since day one and I reap the benefit now.

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