Getting a license after a ban for drink driving - what forms etc?

dacouch

sassy-one wrote: »

I read about the statistic claim a few months ago on a council website, think it may have been a borough of London council? - will have a look.

But found this :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/6906321/Nearly-one-in-four-drink-drive-motorists-guilty-for-a-second-time.html


Was printed last month and shows just how high re offending of drink drivers is.
This shows that the Ministry of Justice has provide statics that show that nearly 50% of all offenders go on to re offend.

Sad thing is, many drivers that commit the offence first time will think as they didn't get caught or if they did, as in the OP's case, and didn't kill anyone, they will do it again for that quick ride home.

Drink driving KILLS, I am not trying to say the OP is the only person who has done it, but where does one continue to give second chances?!

That does not show that nearly 50% of offenders reoffend, your link states that according to records 24.35% reoffend.

If you reread the article you just found on google, you will find the 50% figure is actually a nearly 50% increase in people reoffending over the previous records of the year 2000 when 16.1% reoffended

dacouch

sassy-one wrote: »

Your advice is too, incorrect and claiming mine is is funny.

Your advice as well as some other posters in this thread is wrong, and you are telling the OP it is right?? :laugh:

In fact, Drink Driving (DD Offence) remains on your record for 11 years, NOT ten as you state.

Please see here:

http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/highways/road_safety/drinkdrive_factfile.htm

An endorsement for a drink-driving offence remains on a driving licence for 11 years, so it is 11 years before a convicted driver will have a "clean" licence again.

A drink driving conviction does not need to be declared for applying for insurance policies and non restricted jobs for a period of 5 years unless there was a long jail sentance.

To save you time, try googling "Rehabilitation of Offenders"

Ian_W

sassy-one wrote: »

An endorsement for a drink-driving offence remains on a driving licence for 11 years, so it is 11 years before a convicted driver will have a "clean" licence again.

Meaning OP, your insurance will be through the roof !

Why? If the conviction is SPENT, it needn't be disclosed to the insurer and, unless I'm sadly mistaken, even if the insurer becomes aware of a spent conviction they can't load premiums based on it.

SNAP dacouch!! I think sassy-one must be a troll, no-one can be factually wrong so often without trying!!

sassy_one

dacouch wrote: »

A drink driving conviction does not need to be declared for applying for insurance policies and non restricted jobs for a period of 5 years unless there was a long jail sentance.

To save you time, try googling "Rehabilitation of Offenders"

When you apply for insurance online, you are given the option such as 'In the last ten years have you been convicted of a motoring offence' - this therefore would be a case you would need to declare such.

Also, my point was not about the time (11 years) it was the fact that the information is now stored on a central database, which DVLA, Police and the MID use, meaning this information will never be removed.

My car was owned before me by a Drink Driver, it has a 'Police Marker' against the reg plate showing the driver may be 'Drunk in charge' of the car, as he was banned.
After contacting DVLA and the Police, I was advised the marker could never be removed as it's ona national database, the same as the information is recorded against the driver.

This being the case, IF as I said before, IF, the insuarnce get the underwriters to do checks, they will see this and this may affect the cost of a yearly policy.

My point was, that 10 years, 11 years or 40 years, the information will NEVER be completely removed from the Database used by Police/MID and/or DVLA.


As for the statics, I will try finding the website I read it on, bearing it mind it was 4-5 months ago, and post the link.

Keith

sassy-one wrote: »

Drink driving KILLS, I am not trying to say the OP is the only person who has done it, but where does one continue to give second chances?!

Whilst drink driving kills, so does speeding, so does having bald tyres and defective vehicle. Would you continue to slate an OP who'd killed via any of the other ways?

The OP has been punished by the law of this country, they have accepted their punishment and have not driven for 10 years. The chance of reoffending has passed as they'd have done so by now.

When you drive tomorrow, please consider your driving as you may cause an accident and you'd have to put up with someone like you replying to your thread. As after all, the OP here didn't even kill was just caught over the limit

dacouch

sassy-one wrote: »

When you apply for insurance online, you are given the option such as 'In the last ten years have you been convicted of a motoring offence' - this therefore would be a case you would need to declare such.

Also, my point was not about the time (11 years) it was the fact that the information is now stored on a central database, which DVLA, Police and the MID use, meaning this information will never be removed.


My point was, that 10 years, 11 years or 40 years, the information will NEVER be completely removed from the Database used by Police/MID and/or DVLA.


As for the statics, I will try finding the website I read it on, bearing it mind it was 4-5 months ago, and post the link.

Once again the MID or Motor Insurance Database records details of Insurance Policies, it does not record drivers convictions.

An Insurer cannot ask for motoring convictions beyond the rehabilitation act period which in most cases are 5 years. I very much doubt you have an Insurer that asks for 10 years as most ask for 5 years with a few out dated Insurers asking "Have you ever had any convictions or bans". Insurers asking questions in this way are obliged by law to ignore details of motoring convictions that have been rehabilitated so in effect have to ignore 99.999% of motoring convictions.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3ydNlccHulwJ:www.nacrodisclosures.org.uk/Q66.htm+rehabilitation+of+offenders+act+nacro+drink+driving&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

I'm surprised you continue to argue about Insurance matters after the posts you made as fact about the lack of an MOT invalidating an insurance policy

sassy_one

Keith wrote: »

Whilst drink driving kills, so does speeding, so does having bald tyres and defective vehicle. Would you continue to slate an OP who'd killed via any of the other ways?

The OP has been punished by the law of this country, they have accepted their punishment and have not driven for 10 years. The chance of reoffending has passed as they'd have done so by now.

When you drive tomorrow, please consider your driving as you may cause an accident and you'd have to put up with someone like you replying to your thread. As after all, the OP here didn't even kill was just caught over the limit

Keith, will all due respect I disagree with you, completely.
I sincerely hope someone you love is never injured or even killed by a drink driver - as you may realise how your comments come across.


The fact is, if OP could re offended by means of drink driving again, he is a higher risk now as he has done it once - bug deal, off the road for 10 years.

He didn't kill anyone, thank god, BY CHANCE remember that, it was by chance he didn't, the chance the Police caught him, otherwise maybe he wouldn't have killed anyone, and he would have done it again!

Speed does kill, that's where I agree with you, yes it does - however, doing 40 a 30 zone is a lot less dangerous than be drunk in charge of a motor car, simple.


Maybe the OP won't ever do it again, but do we give everyone who does something wrong a second chance?
Like murders, oh you killed someone but it's okay now as you served your time - where do we stop?


My point has never been about the fact the OP is going to go back on the road, as I stated before, I wish the OP luck in doing so, my point was, the fact he has a DD conviction WILL still be recorded, now and always.

Anyway, I refuse to enter a debate, I gave my option, as I am freely allowed to offer and give on this forum as I have done so.
You have your option, you are fully entitled to that, so as I am.


All enjoy there weekend :whistle:

vaio

vaio wrote: »

……. by the time the OP has got his licence and passed his test the DD conviction will have no effect on his ability to hire anything…..

sassy-one wrote: »

.....Incorrect, all DD and DDD are recorded against the MID, DVLA and Police national computer for life long, think you need to research your facts before posting advice that is not correct.........

Didn’t think the MID stored driver details unless they had an insurance policy, don’t know about DVLA and pretty sure all convictions stay on PNC for ever

I’m not sure if any of them will give information to car hire companies (but I suspect not) but even if they did it doesn’t have anything to do with hiring a car more than 11 years after a DD conviction Rehabilitation of Offenders kicks in after 6 years so OP can honestly say “no convictions” and the endorsement goes after 11 so OP can honestly say “no endorsements” and produce a clean licence.

As you say, everyone can have an opinion and post it, the problems starts when that opinion (which can sometimes be wrong) is represented as fact

Inactive

sassy-one wrote: »

Anyway, I refuse to enter a debate, I gave my option, as I am freely allowed to offer and give on this forum as I have done so.
You have your option, you are fully entitled to that, so as I am.

What is this " option " that you keep rambling on about, you do have an option, but choose not to take it, it seems.

Just my opinion of course.

dacouch

Viao the MIB was brought into being due to the European Community, the idea of it being that due to the freedom to drive in EEC countries they wanted to make it easier for a driver of a vehicle from outside the UK who has an accident in the UK (Or anywhere else in the EEC) to be able to trace their insurance company easier than the old system. Due to the reasons it was set up, it does not hold information on convictions or claims etc.

As with most European laws the UK implemented it ahead of time with some other counties still overdue on bringing it in, our police are really ahead of the game with the linked ANPR cameras.

You may find this link helpful http://www.mib.org.uk/Motor+Insurance+Database/en/MID+Faqs/What+information+does+the+MID+hold.htm