my son wants to get custody for his son

tweetie_pie_3

one_hot_minute wrote: »

Really?! Does he get a grant / have a part time job etc? He's his child, he should be offering some sort of financial support.

Whether social work say he legally needs to, morally he NEEDS to. IM humble O.

I find this whole thing hard to stomach tbh. I dont doubt you are worried about your grandchild, but you seem more intent on smearing and accusing rather than taking the correct steps to do whats right for him.

Also you're saying on one hand he is being neglected and making serious allegations about his care, yet you are pulling up posters for saying "poor kid." I dont understand.

I do think there are more holes in your posts than a collander. I hope SS do the right thing by your grandson and if you are seriously concerned about his welfare, I suggest first port of call for you at 9am tomorrow is a lawyer who specialises in this area.

My son gets ema at college £20 a week out of that he has bought him clothes etc we have bought the rest as we help as a family

I have been told to gather evidence to support my sons case by the sw and i dont like accusing or smearing as u say im just giving ppl enough information to try to offer advice there is plenty more evidence against them in fact a whole folder full collected by sw
I am saying its a very sad case that his mum clearly doesnt show she wants him and as we are concerned about his welfare we have an appointment that specialises in that area
I would love the baby to come to us as we would give him the love he deserves and the sw has already sed they want us to have him but we just want him safe so we as a family are making sure he is

Fang_3

tweetie_pie wrote: »

My son gets ema at college £20 a week out of that he has bought him clothes etc we have bought the rest as we help as a family

I have been told to gather evidence to support my sons case by the sw and i dont like accusing or smearing as u say im just giving ppl enough information to try to offer advice there is plenty more evidence against them in fact a whole folder full collected by sw
I am saying its a very sad case that his mum clearly doesnt show she wants him and as we are concerned about his welfare we have an appointment that specialises in that area
I would love the baby to come to us as we would give him the love he deserves and the sw has already sed they want us to have him but we just want him safe so we as a family are making sure he is

You've been to get legal advice since you first posted then?

Loopy_Girl

I meant to ask this the last time....if she doesn't want baby then why did she continue with pregnancy?

And you are actually smearing...you are coming out with bits of info that aren't neccesary for anyone outside the family to know.

Maybe the other Granny sees you as a gossipy, judgemental and a bit of a nut job - who knows?

and I'll say it again...a Mum who has a drink (since you bring it up several times) doesn't make her a bad Mum. Sorry. There are plenty of Mum's on here that have cared for their kids with a hangover.

gizmo111

tweetie_pie wrote: »

They have checked out all of my family me and partner included have spoke to bosses etc and checked our home out all came bk perfect


i have explained about the calpol earlier and they know from information from the past that he is not safe that is why they r keeping a close eye on him and want us to get a residency order b4 any harm come to him and its too late

I have yet to do an assessment where the family on either side 'came out perfect' - if they were I wouldn't be assessing them. Assessments are done over a period of time - this child is only a few weeks old, nowhere near long enough for the assessment process for placing a child to be complete - in any event you say this child is subject to a child protection plan not care proceedings, so on what basis are they checking you out?

Quite simply if this child is not safe or being neglected where it is living then the PLO process will have started, quicker than you can you say 'calpol', and social worker will not be asking you to gather evidence - your observations/gossip/emotions will not stand up in court when they apply for a order based on professional observations, opinion and decisions. No one social worker makes the decision and it is outwith the powers of a CP conference.

If your son is taking legal advice on a residence order then that is an entirely different matter.

Loopy_Girl

So what has been said all along...if the child was thought to be in danger they wouldn't leave it there whilst the Granny collates info?

Thanks Gizmo...I found your post informative

Pixiechic

tweetie_pie wrote: »

Hi the mum dont know about my son wanting to get a residency order
my son has all the paperwork but yes the solicitor will ask the sw and family centre and they will be helping as they have a lot of information more than i know about the family
The mum stopped contact last night as my son didnt invite her to his 18th birthday party but im the one that was arranging a family get together for his 18th not him so she has said he cant see his son and none of us can so she is using the baby as a weapon. she also said she is going to take my sons name off the birth certificate and get her brother to act as my son. I said she couldnt do that as its breaking the law what a sad situation

I have made an appointment with a solicitor on thursday nearest one available so hopefully things will be clearer then

She has explained quite a bit earlier on in the thread.

tweetie_pie_3

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

I meant to ask this the last time....if she doesn't want baby then why did she continue with pregnancy?

And you are actually smearing...you are coming out with bits of info that aren't neccesary for anyone outside the family to know.

Maybe the other Granny sees you as a gossipy, judgemental and a bit of a nut job - who knows?

and I'll say it again...a Mum who has a drink (since you bring it up several times) doesn't make her a bad Mum. Sorry. There are plenty of Mum's on here that have cared for their kids with a hangover.

She carried on with the pregnancy because she thought her and my son was going to get back together and even now causes trouble when he just goes to the cinema with friends and some are the opposite sex
I am not the one that has had my children taken away through to neglect so i dont see myself as a bit of a nut job we only want to see the baby safe before anything happens even if we dont end up with him
Maybe there is plenty of mums on here that care for their kids with a hangover but i would find it very unlikely that there would be plenty that for the past 3 weekends had drinking sessions from friday to monday and as she so proudly told me drank herself sober and not having their children at all for 4 days
Are you saying that is being a good mum because i always thought like i did with mine is to be there for them im not saying going out for a drink is bad as every one deserves time out but 4 days of being without ur baby is that being a good mum?

tweetie_pie_3

I have been told to gather evidence from the social worker and family center workers and we have a solicitors appointment thursday

tweetie_pie_3

gizmo111 wrote: »

I have yet to do an assessment where the family on either side 'came out perfect' - if they were I wouldn't be assessing them. Assessments are done over a period of time - this child is only a few weeks old, nowhere near long enough for the assessment process for placing a child to be complete - in any event you say this child is subject to a child protection plan not care proceedings, so on what basis are they checking you out?

Quite simply if this child is not safe or being neglected where it is living then the PLO process will have started, quicker than you can you say 'calpol', and social worker will not be asking you to gather evidence - your observations/gossip/emotions will not stand up in court when they apply for a order based on professional observations, opinion and decisions. No one social worker makes the decision and it is outwith the powers of a CP conference.

If your son is taking legal advice on a residence order then that is an entirely different matter.

Firstly they know about our background and if i have had any involment with social services which i havnt
secondly how clean my house is which came out perfect
Im sure you are right and im not saying that they have finished because i would be very worried if they had as this is a baby we are talking about and they need to make sure his needs will be met
As for the evidence i have got all of the events that are happening prior to baby being born and a diary of daily events from social workers all from the CP meetings, also what mum was supposed to do like go to her flat with baby, anger managment etc etc which she has not
Social workers have photo evidence of her using her flat as a drinking/smoking den
My son knows that he has a lot to learn as his only 17 well 18 very soon but he knows that he wants his baby somewhere where he is loved and his needs are met and yes the sw has told my son to go for 2 orders 1 contact and 1 residency
I asked the sw if my son has got a chance and she sed to me that they try to keep baby with either parent and its clear from all evidence that she doesnt want him so thats why she suggested it plus mum is not willing to work with social to make things better for her she is going against everything they say and in meetings swear go to walk out, she refused them access to see baby saying shes taking them to court so shes really not helping herself

tweetie_pie_3

Pixiechic wrote: »

She has explained quite a bit earlier on in the thread.

I dont think a lot actually read all the posts they just jump in but thankyou for trying to make it clearer for some
I am so glad there are some that do actually read what i have been putting


and answer to another persons post
If there was evidence like bruising etc then of course they would remove him but neglect needs to be proved and that is what we all are doing
A child is not put on CP for nothing there is evidence before he was born that is why he was put on it
I am sure some people on here would rather see the baby get hurt before we do something
We are trying to prevent that happening surely thats a good thing?????