Weezl and friends Phase 3 - sitting pretty with Kitty

System

weezl74 wrote: »

p.s addressing your point about asserting copyright over the page, I do, as it is my layout, photography and formatting. From MSEs summary of the rules this was the only part of a recipe I understood can be copyrighted.

I am certainly not attempting to pass off work as my own.

When we first discussed it I think I said that good food had a very complex method which i was hoping we could simplify.

Fortunately for cookery writers everywhere (including yourself), the text is protected by copyright if it involves a degree of labour, skill and effort, or literary endeavour. You can't copyright a recipe (that is, the dish itself), so you can't copyright the ingredients listing or the basic steps that you follow to create the recipe. But there is copyright in the wording of all but the most basic instructions, and in the collation and juxtaposition of recipes in a collection or book. Generally, there isn't a problem if the recipe just says "preheat the oven then cook for half an hour", because there isn't really an alternative way of stating that. But if it says something that is immediately recognisable, as in this case, then literary and creative expression is deemed to have gone into it, and copyright can be asserted.

I didn't think you were trying to pass off work as your own, and of course you own the copyright to those bits which are your own creative endeavour -- I'm just trying to warn you that there is a potential copyright issue which is complicated by your copyright statement in the absence of any specific acknowledgment of the original source of the text. It's not a big deal... just something that it would be advisable to fix. I doubt if it's worthwhile for the copyright holder to pursue it, anyway. As a stop-gap, you could maybe write a sentence at the top about where the original recipe came from?

That is my understanding, at any rate. The usual caveats apply. Don't worry about it unduly.

weezl74

Avocet wrote: »

Fortunately for cookery writers everywhere (including yourself), the text is protected by copyright if it involves a degree of labour, skill and effort, or literary endeavour. You can't copyright a recipe (that is, the dish itself), so you can't copyright the ingredients listing or the basic steps that you follow to create the recipe. But there is copyright in the wording of all but the most basic instructions, and in the collation and juxtaposition of recipes in a collection or book. Generally, there isn't a problem if the recipe just says "preheat the oven then cook for half an hour", because there isn't really an alternative way of stating that. But if it says something that is immediately recognisable, as in this case, then literary and creative expression is deemed to have gone into it, and copyright can be asserted.

I didn't think you were trying to pass off work as your own, and of course you own the copyright to those bits which are your own creative endeavour -- I'm just trying to warn you that there is a potential copyright issue which is complicated by your copyright statement in the absence of any specific acknowledgment of the original source of the text. It's not a big deal... just something that it would be advisable to fix. I doubt if it's worthwhile for the copyright holder to pursue it, anyway. As a stop-gap, you could maybe write a sentence at the top about where the original recipe came from?

That is my understanding, at any rate. The usual caveats apply. Don't worry about it unduly.

thank you avocet, I have changed it now anyway, just in case, based on what I did anyway, pending our testers feedback. Thanks for your post

Savvy_sewing

Allegra wrote: »

I have done it on the front page as soon as it was live today, HG - it links from the "We are now also testing Christmas recipes" - is it not obvious enough that it's a linkie ? Should I change the text to "please click to view Christmas recipes we are now testing" or something similar ?

I have done my freezer challenge mealplan today - and, true story, this - using the already cooked meals and the meat I have in the freezer, it takes me right up to and including Thu 28th October. Which means I can actually test out the Christmas week starting on Friday 29th October, with Mockmas already scheduled for Sunday the 31st ! Must be fate, eh ? :T

BTW, if anyone is actually able to test out the week in full to test all the food and methods, please, please consider doing so. And if anyone reads or posts on the Old Style, and sees a thread that could benefit from the Christmas planner, please post the linkie. Or if you identify a poster that could benefit from it, ditto.

Mooloo, what a faboulous idea about the piccies ! I always used food pics cut out from mags to decorate my kitchen, and if I had a decent enough printer, I'd do the same with the CFR pics

They have come out, approximately 2" square photos, in a long line of them but I thoughtI would cut them out, and frame them around the menu. Just for inspiration.
I am lucky that my dad brought me a printer that does photos. These are just on Paper, but I suppose I could try to do it on photographic paper. But not tonight. I am off to bed, before I ware myself back out, as Ihad done yesterday. I was so bad last night, I even forwent the toast I was going to have and just ate a cold tin of ricepudding.! Then went to bed! :rotfl: (it was MR Smartprice though!)

Savvy_sewing

Lesley_Gaye wrote: »

I have just had the smoked salmon pasta for dinner Mooloo and I can recommend it, very yummy indeed. You could have courgette with it, grated and raw, or steamed, or mixed in or something!

I will have to have a little think as I cannot stand fish! alas. I try it often enough, but I really am struggling with it.

System

weezl74 wrote: »

I have changed it now anyway, just in case, based on what I did anyway, pending our testers feedback.

That was quick. It looks fine now! :-)

Two minor typos... "malleable" needs extra "l" in penultimate paragraph; "beefore" needs one less "e" in last line. And it might be an idea to add slightly more information on making the sugar glue, maybe adding an extra spoonful of sugar and splash of water to the ingredients listing (depending on how you made it)?

I'll try the recipe as soon as I have something to cook it in. It looks as though it will taste lovely.

Allegra

Mooloo wrote: »

I will have to have a little think as I cannot stand fish! alas. I try it often enough, but I really am struggling with it.

Oh yeah, we had courgette pasta for dinner tonight - onion + garlic + seasonings + very thinly sliced courgette, saute on low for 20 mins til all mushy, stir through pasta. Yummy !

artybear

Avocet wrote: »

That was quick. It looks fine now! :-)

Two minor typos... "malleable" needs extra "l" in penultimate paragraph; "beefore" needs one less "e" in last line. And it might be an idea to add slightly more information on making the sugar glue, maybe adding an extra spoonful of sugar and splash of water to the ingredients listing (depending on how you made it)?

I'll try the recipe as soon as I have something to cook it in. It looks as though it will taste lovely.

Your on the ball tonight Avocet:D

Lesley_Gaye

Mooloo wrote: »

I will have to have a little think as I cannot stand fish! alas. I try it often enough, but I really am struggling with it.

you could do the same sauce but use crispy bacon instead of the salmon to have a carbonara type, or maybe some pan fried chicken, or even use some of the slow cooked pork, the same weight as the salmon - yum

System

artybear wrote: »

Your on the ball tonight Avocet:D

I think I might have drunk too much coffee ;-) Don't worry, I'll sink back into my usual lethargy soon :-)

weezl74

Avocet wrote: »

I think I might have drunk too much coffee ;-) Don't worry, I'll sink back into my usual lethargy soon :-)

no we need you! I severely lack detail. A star-gazer, me. Detail people make the planner much better and clearer for shirl and kitty.:T:T