Weezl and friends Phase 3 - sitting pretty with Kitty

maltesers_2

queen_of_string wrote: »

I am trying to follow this debate, though the technicalities are really not my thing.

Though I am not a fan of the government and its health information output, this is a mainstream plan, for the masses. It is billed as a healthy plan on a budget.

Given its main stream status, choosing current government guidelines as the basis for the plan is appropriate. These guidelines are accessable for all those who might choose to follow the plans.


. I just dont think the level of concern you have for your own diet is appropriate to apply to a mainstream plan.



HTH

I quite agree, As far as I am aware current government guidelines suggest eating oily fish once or twice a week there is no mention of substituting vegetable oil,

In fact this is what they say:

Aim for at least two portions of fish a week, including a portion of oily fish. You can choose from fresh, frozen or canned - but remember that canned and smoked fish can be high in salt. What are oily fish?Some fish are called oily fish because they are rich in certain types of fats, called omega 3 fatty acids, which can help keep our hearts healthy
Oily fish is the best source of omega 3 fatty acids. These fatty acids may help protect against coronary heart disease.


Some omega 3 fatty acids are found in certain vegetable oils, such as linseed, flaxseed, walnut and rapeseed, but these aren't the same type of fatty acids as those found in fish.

Recent evidence suggests that the type of fatty acids found in vegetable sources may not have the same benefits as those in fish.

I have not raised any concern about my own diet at all.

As I continue to say, Weezl gave us the link to the vegan site to back up her own argument and it is them who say there might be a risk to eyesight. They are not addressing the general public but vegans seeking advice. I assume they are giving them good advice. I am sure the canola oil industry has already produced many counter reports.

I frankly don't care - if it is true and some people do end up eyesight damage I will have attempted to draw attention to the risk. There is little else I can do.

Like Weezl I was doing it for the sake of others - it has absolutely nothing to do with my own particular illness. I would have said the same years ago.

Lesley_Gaye

posted on skype on monday, then I disappeared!

on mon afternoon, I was taking advantage of the good weather to 'paint' some anti climb paint on the edge of the flatroof of the village hall. The little blighters get up there and wreak havoc. I put 'paint' because it was so thick it was like trying to paint with dulce de leche. It said to stir the paint before use, so I stuck a stick in it and could barely get it out again, let alone stir anything with it.

Then Tuesday we drove to Gravesend (1.5 hours away) to deal with some business, by the time we got back at 3pm, the bouncing in the truck had set off a migraine, so I went straight to bed.

Wednesday I went to a WI speaker selection day, 9.30 - 4, so out all day. The first speaker topic was Benefit Fraud. I wondered how on earth you could make a light entertainment out of that, and wouldn't it pander to people's prejudices. Well, it turned out he couldn't, and it did. The women behind me were actually tsking! Other topics were very good. There was a story teller, who at one point told us about her grandmother who had had 21!!! babies. I just can't begin to imagine what that must have been like. The eldest and the youngest were both born to the same parents and were raised in the same house, but never actually met as the eldest one migrated before the youngest was born. Strange thought. If that family all lived together, and were living now, even using CFR, their food bill would be £500 per month - eeek.

Today I met a friend for coffee, then went to Pilates, came back and had a late lunch. I know, my life is tough.

Meanwhile, my internet access has been sporadic to say the least. I get a couple of hours at most per day, often late at night. It's on at the moment (obviously!) so am trying to catch up with everything.

DP keeps eating the SP choc I laid in for brownies, so I might have to make some more brownies, just so I get to use it! He does love those too. I also got several pks of SP salted peanuts to keep in the store cupboard for nut loaves etc, and he keeps scoffing those and then complaining because he doesn't really like them much, and why can't I get some decent peanuts :huh:

Been watching H F-W new series, Everyday, and got the book (I did think about it for a fortnight first!). It has digestive biscuits and oatcakes in there. Been thinking about doing oatcakes for a while, and there several recipes on mse for them. Don't think I'll do the digestives, nice as they look, as I would prob eat more of them, lovely and fresh out of the oven, so it wouldn't exactly be frugal. Love Nigella too, but there is only so much telly 1 person can watch, so haven't been watching that one this time

will be roasting a big dish of assorted root veg, tossed in a little oil and rosemary in a minute for dinner. We'll have those with some leftover roast pork from the freezer from when I did a mock mockmass a couple of weeks ago.

auditbabe

Lesley_Gaye wrote: »

posted on skype on monday, then I disappeared!

on mon afternoon, I was taking advantage of the good weather to 'paint' some anti climb paint on the edge of the flatroof of the village hall. The little blighters get up there and wreak havoc. I put 'paint' because it was so thick it was like trying to paint with dulce de leche. It said to stir the paint before use, so I stuck a stick in it and could barely get it out again, let alone stir anything with it.

Then Tuesday we drove to Gravesend (1.5 hours away) to deal with some business, by the time we got back at 3pm, the bouncing in the truck had set off a migraine, so I went straight to bed.

Wednesday I went to a WI speaker selection day, 9.30 - 4, so out all day. The first speaker topic was Benefit Fraud. I wondered how on earth you could make a light entertainment out of that, and wouldn't it pander to people's prejudices. Well, it turned out he couldn't, and it did. The women behind me were actually tsking! Other topics were very good. There was a story teller, who at one point told us about her grandmother who had had 21!!! babies. I just can't begin to imagine what that must have been like. The eldest and the youngest were both born to the same parents and were raised in the same house, but never actually met as the eldest one migrated before the youngest was born. Strange thought. If that family all lived together, and were living now, even using CFR, their food bill would be £500 per month - eeek.

Today I met a friend for coffee, then went to Pilates, came back and had a late lunch. I know, my life is tough.

Meanwhile, my internet access has been sporadic to say the least. I get a couple of hours at most per day, often late at night. It's on at the moment (obviously!) so am trying to catch up with everything.

DP keeps eating the SP choc I laid in for brownies, so I might have to make some more brownies, just so I get to use it! He does love those too. I also got several pks of SP salted peanuts to keep in the store cupboard for nut loaves etc, and he keeps scoffing those and then complaining because he doesn't really like them much, and why can't I get some decent peanuts :huh:

Been watching H F-W new series, Everyday, and got the book (I did think about it for a fortnight first!). It has digestive biscuits and oatcakes in there. Been thinking about doing oatcakes for a while, and there several recipes on mse for them. Don't think I'll do the digestives, nice as they look, as I would prob eat more of them, lovely and fresh out of the oven, so it wouldn't exactly be frugal. Love Nigella too, but there is only so much telly 1 person can watch, so haven't been watching that one this time

will be roasting a big dish of assorted root veg, tossed in a little oil and rosemary in a minute for dinner. We'll have those with some leftover roast pork from the freezer from when I did a mock mockmass a couple of weeks ago.

wow Lesley you have been busy. we love roasted veg its one of our favourite meals

Lesley_Gaye

auditbabe wrote: »

wow Lesley you have been busy. we love roasted veg its one of our favourite meals

I find that I can only eat meat for 2 days running, then I want a veggie meal. I'll just use a tiny bit of pork tonight, more as a seasoning than anything else.

One of our favourites, esp at this time of year is the Cranks Veggie Casserole with Dumplings and honey roasted parsnips - yum

ceridwen

pawnbroker wrote: »

De-lurks….

I have followed this project from the beginning and have found the contents very useful. I have tried a number of the recipes and have even managed to entice my meat-eating husband to eat pasta! We also look forward to trying more and may even manage some meat-free ones.

Continued comments such as those made by Maltesers will de-motivate Weezle and the team, who have put a lot of time and effort into producing this very enjoyable and informative website.

No-one is under any obligation to slavishly follow the recipes, which can presumably be easily adapted to suit individual requirements.

Weezle and team please keep up the good work.

Looking forward to more recipes as they become available.

But then, on the other hand, it IS necessary to be absolutely scrupulous about the level of research. In truth - I dont think it is de-motivating to raise questions - one would not bother if the whole project came over as not worth doing. Maltesers is obviously more clued-up than I am personally (because I've read loads of research - and then have the memory problem that I remember my conclusions - but cant recall the x number of bits of research that made me come to x conclusion or the y number of bits of research that made me come to y conclusion.

So - in the end I personally thought - okays...Weezls intentions are good - but I personally will replace the rapeseed oil/sugar/white flour with what I have concluded from my research is healthier (ie olive oil/honey/wholemeal flour and, of course, those freerange eggs instead of battery ones), etc and it will still give me new recipes to try/parameters to operate within without compromising the stuff I have picked up (and forgotten the research about......:o).

So - personally - I do think neither Maltesers or Weezl should feel "discouraged". This IS how major projects go - taking all factors into account and personal emotions of encouragement/discouragement dont come into it IMHO...

queen_of_string

flippin heck lesley, I'm tired just reading your week!

Any chance you could post the digetive recipe, I think it might have a fan in this house .

Julimk

For those who would like to get their omega 3 from fish, the current recipe is in the testing phase:

http://www.cheap-family-recipes.org.uk/recipe-salmonpasta.html?opt=pc

And this was Sami’s LO’s opinion:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=447725866775&oid=130596006954770&saved #!/video/video.php?v=447725866775&oid=130596006954770

There are also further articles being drafted to enable users to make their own informed choices about nutrition & provide further guidance on things like meal planning etc. The following is taken from one of these draft articles:

“The current recommendation is that everyone should be eating two portions of fish a week of which at least one is oily fish (salmon, trout, fresh tuna, mackerel etc.), which provides about 2g per week. However, fish is often expensive and this is not an option for vegetarians and vegans.

If you want to obtain omega 3 from fish it does not have to be expensive. A 120g can of sardines in tomato sauce costs 34p and contains nearly 4g of omega 3, a 155g can of pilchards in tomato sauce costs 43p and provides 1.5g omega 3 or a pack of 2 kipper fillets will cost about £1 and provide 5g of omega 3. (Prices Oct 10)”

nopot2pin

queen_of_string wrote: »

flippin heck lesley, I'm tired just reading your week!

Any chance you could post the digetive recipe, I think it might have a fan in this house .

And the oatcake recipe too
Thanks

weezl74

maltesers,

I have analysed the amount of ALA in both the planners now, and they are below the level which one of the studies based on the nurses study correlated with an increased risk of Age-related macular degeneration (1.44g/1.47g daily). The figures are available for those who would like them. There will also be an FAQ on the site addressing this shortly.

on an entirely seperate note:

I will start a new thread tomorrow which is about testing christmas recipes. Anyone who would like to do that with me is most welcome, the facebook crew are hopefully joining in as well. it would be lovely to have the company of any willing mse recipe testers. This thread can of course stay for people to talk about anything related to the kitty planner.

MadDogWoman_2

I did a raid the fridge for tea tonight, made Cottage Pie with a twist.

300g mince
leftover onion gravy
peas
carrots
potatoes
Stock cube
Tomato Puree
Dried mixed herbs
mustard & garlic powder

I browned the mince off whilst warming the gravy up, added the garlic & mustard powders, stock cube, herbs and puree to the mince, tipped into the gravy, stir, add peas to the pan. Soften the carrots in the mince browning pan, add to gravy mix, season. Slice the potatoes, 2 layers on top, season with garlic powder, herbs, salt and pepper between.

Oven (180C fan) for 30 minutes covered in foil, brush pototoes with a little bit of oil back in the oven for 15 minutes uncovered, very yummy.

If the sauce is a bit thick before putting the spuds on stir through a bit of water.

Very yummy, I have enough left for lunch tomorrow for DH and I (Katie is at a birthday party).