Weezl and friends Phase 3 - sitting pretty with Kitty

weezl74

thank you maltesers I'm not wanting you to feel dismissed from debating with us.

it would be good if you wanted to pop up, on any topic of interest to you about CFR.

I've been reading a fair bit about conversion from ALA to DHA.

My understanding (largely based on this article: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/omega3 but am happy to give more refs if anyone is interested) is that the LOW conversion rate of ALA to DHA is where the body is preferentially converting omega 6 fats. This would explain why men have a lower conversion rate, since several studies suggest that males eat diets far higher in Omega 6 than their female counterparts, even when matched for other factors.

My feeling is that since the meal planners I've produced are much lower (but still sufficient in) omega 6, that our families using the planners in entirety won't be falling foul of this low conversion rate.

Further, I read that optimal conversion occurs when the diet meets the RDA of vitamins and minerals, which I also feel confident about.

shanks77

Sami just seen video very good advert for CFR. *whispers i do that with my bowl too*
Arty glad the brownies worked with everyone talking about them i think i might make some on my next day off.
Not been doing too much CFR wise but ex and i are following the eve meals for Mockmas on Friday so at least there is no wondering what to have each day. Just need to buy a few ingreds and im sorted. Had some of the meals before so cant wait nomnom

weezl74

shanks77 wrote: »

Sami just seen video very good advert for CFR. *whispers i do that with my bowl too*
Arty glad the brownies worked with everyone talking about them i think i might make some on my next day off.
Not been doing too much CFR wise but ex and i are following the eve meals for Mockmas on Friday so at least there is no wondering what to have each day. Just need to buy a few ingreds and im sorted. Had some of the meals before so cant wait nomnom

oooh all the eves shanks? cool! I am a bit worried about boxing day, but hoping some wisdom will emerge as we trial it...

nopot2pin

Sami, that is a fab video

Weezl, your Meatloaf linkie, was very bad , but made me giggle :rotfl::T

I have been living out of the freezer, so this week have used up some bean curry, and a chickpea crumble, and a stirfry, with some whoopsied veg ... mostly because I haven't really had the time to cook from scratch, or the money either.
Glad to see everyone is well

frugalmumof4

wow, its amazing to come back to have nose at this thread after a few months and see its still running strong, you are all doing a amazing job. I havent been able to read through the pages and pages i have missed but i see hints of a christmas planner and chocolate brownies, can anyone point me in the right direction for both please.
Many Thanks!:D

maltesers_2

weezl74 wrote: »

I've been reading a fair bit about conversion from ALA to DHA.


My feeling is that since the meal planners I've produced are much lower (but still sufficient in) omega 6, that our families using the planners in entirety won't be falling foul of this low conversion rate.

Thankyou for that link it was very interesting.

I read the whole article which seems to say that the 3g a day of ALA necessary for conversion even with a low omega 6 intake is not worth the risk to eyesight when supplements are available.
　
In summary, it appears that 3 g (equivalent of about 1-1/2 teaspoons of flaxseed oil) per day of ALA cannot increase blood percentages of DHA in three months time, but can increase blood percentages in 10 months time, assuming intake of omega-6 is low.

The article continues to explain some problems with ALA including eyesight problems developing with only 1.26g perday. Canola oil may be implicated.
　
Summary of Omega-3 Benefits and Concerns
　
If it weren't for the (small chance) for potential eye problems, I would suggest either adding 3 g of ALA per day, or taking DHA supplements. Because of the eye issues, that much ALA is not worth the risk when DHA supplements are available. I would still recommend adding about .5 g of ALA per day for its own benefits on heart disease and to help increase EPA levels. If using such small amounts of uncooked, plant sources of ALA, the risk to the eyes should be very minimal.

weezl74

hiya maltesers, it's not that I didn't read the whole article, I did, I just am not seeing the need for vegans to supplement with DHA.

This is my logic, if Ala to dha conversion is likely to be poor, but everyone needs omega 3 as DHA to protect against coronary heart disease, then vegans would have a higher instance of the heart disease.

The studies I've read so far don't support this.

one example here: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/92/5/1040

I have no problem with continuing to debate this with you, and I like your approach.:) Both of what you bring and the way you bring it. I am concerned about 2 things though, detractors of the project may see our debate as you thinking something which you don't, also you may be hoping to ellicit a change in the CFR site which would be difficult for me to do with integrity.

Neither of these are your issue, they are mine/the projects, but I thought naming them would be important so we don't have a circular discussion, which I don't think either of us want.

Goodness only knows if the above makes sense! Please feel free to question it if I am beng unclear.

Allegra

frugalmumof4 wrote: »

wow, its amazing to come back to have nose at this thread after a few months and see its still running strong, you are all doing a amazing job. I havent been able to read through the pages and pages i have missed but i see hints of a christmas planner and chocolate brownies, can anyone point me in the right direction for both please.
Many Thanks!:D

Nice to see you back, Frugal Mum Christmas planner can be accessed from the linkie on the first page, or just click on the following: http://www.cheap-family-recipes.org.uk/planner-christmasweek.html and brownies are a part of it, or just click here: http://www.cheap-family-recipes.org.uk/recipe-chocolatebrownies.html?opt=pc

Brownies are well nom, and I am testing the whole week from Friday, and a fair few people are joining in too testing the dishes as suits them Halloween is "Mockmas", that is, a big bunch of us will be testing the CFR Christmas Day menu, and hopefully reporting back with plenty of photos :T

Apricot

Sami - I see Edgar enjoyed the salmon pasta as much as me!

Christmas Week planner - No Turkey? Im not exactly fussed on turkey but feel like I have to have it on Christmas day!

weezl74

princessleah_ wrote: »

Christmas Week planner - No Turkey? Im not exactly fussed on turkey but feel like I have to have it on Christmas day!

yes a controversial choice! I'll explain why..

We launched on the 5th May, a shirl who has been faithfully following the planner with meat in has been having a roast chicken with trimmings every other weekend since May.

a newer shirl will be able to have the cfr roast chicken dinner, as more traditional, but the celebratory pork meal is a piece of variety for a stalwart shirl.

Does that help? Are you up for our cook-along at the weekend?