Weezl and friends Phase 3 - sitting pretty with Kitty

Sami_Bee

poohbear59 wrote: »

Don't forget to try Freegle for jam jars. That is where I found mine.

I am currently awaiting my ASDA order. But can't make my carrot cake etc until my hens lay more eggs. I am not paying for eggs! When I make my cakes I do double quantities and do half with marmalade topping and half without. Then my men can choose the one they like the best.

ETA It is cheaper to buy basic jam and reuse the jar than to buy new and unused

ah didn't think of freegle, I'm cursing all the jars that have gone in teh recycling in the past few months now though :rotfl:

when I saw the amazon jars I actually said to my hubby, for £1.60 I'd expect a jar to contain some darn tasty jam not air!


Aless - ikea kilner-esqe jars start at 89p http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/categories/series/07655/ I'm not sure if supermarket would be just as cheap?

weezl74

hiya maltesers,

I like the scientific basis andhealth emphasis you bring.

I have been very happy to commit to keeping the cfr site meals trans-fat free, as it says on the site.

The difficulty in debating things is if I am seen in my role as a kind of cfr spokeswoman, when I'm not intending to be. The above part that you have quoted wasn't meant as the view of the project.

dh and i have elmlea occasionally when we visit my parents. As far as I know there aren't any transfats in my typical diet. I'm grateful for the links you've given, and I'll follow them up.

artybear

Yup aless, Sami is right, they cost 89p and they are pretty :-) Quite big too so we made less jars than we thought (we bought 12 but only filled 6) but they look very substantial as prezzies.

Im going to fill the rest with pastas etc...

Mr artys gone to a posh restaurant with his work tonight so im home alone....to cheer myself up im going to make cfr brownies nomnomnom

maltesers_2

Hi Weezl

I know you are passionate about keeping the cost to the bare minimum. I am equally passionate on helping people to avoid health problems that can be caused by certain 'food' products. Asda raisins are coated in hydrogenated but there are plenty of others which aren't. I knew the Elmlea had very high 26% hydrogenated fat so when you mentioned that you added it to risotto and rice pudding I just thought I would warn you and others. Sorry I was only trying to help.

One little-known source of trans fat is canola / rapeseed oil. The trans fat occurs as a result of processing, which takes place at high temperature. The raw seed begins with a high level of beneficial omega-3 oils, however these tend to oxidise during processing producing off, rancid odours. During deodorisation, some of the omega-3 fatty acids are converted to trans.

The proportion converted to trans is highly variable - in general, UK oils have low levels of trans, however Researchers at the University of Florida at Gainesville, found that liquid canola / rapeseed oils sold in the USA contained as much as 4.6 percent trans fat. Currently this trans fat content is not usually listed on labels and consumers have no way of knowing it is present.

http://www.tfx.org.uk/page13.html#CAN

artybear

Hi maltesars,

Interesting thing you have there, i think im being dim but what are the health problems with trans-fats? I have always used vegtable oil and have no medical problems nor do anyone I know. So I'm confused why they are bad?

(this is a generally interested question not meant aggressively at all)

I know weezl is very very passionate about healthy eating so I'm sure she is mulling over your concerns as we speak.

xxx

maltesers_2

artybear wrote: »

Hi maltesars,

Interesting thing you have there, i think im being dim but what are the health problems with trans-fats? I have always used vegtable oil and have no medical problems nor do anyone I know. So I'm confused why they are bad?

(this is a generally interested question not meant aggressively at all)

I know weezl is very very passionate about healthy eating so I'm sure she is mulling over your concerns as we speak.

xxx

If you google why other countries have banned them and why so many UK health bodies want to you will discover that they lead to strokes, heart attacks, diabetes and are implicated in some cancers and various other health problems including obesity. Largely relating to our bodies not recognising them.

Most of the people on here are very young and the trans fat problem is cumulative. But trans fat plaque has been found in even very young children. It takes time for the problems to develop and by the time they do it is too late and the damage is done.

Many people of my generation and older were raised on margerine which was totally loaded with trans fats. Quite probably the reason why my father died at 52 for otherwise the diet was very basic meat and veg and porrige etc. These have been stopped but industrial oils have taken their place. As trans fats are banned the new methods, interesterification etc, will take their place and no doubt be equally damaging. Only by accepting the problem of industrial oils and working against them will we make any difference to future health

Most olive oils are OK as are natural fats like coconut oil, lard etc

I did raise concerns back in Feb but more and more bodies are calling for a ban so I brought it up again.

weezl74

maltesers wrote: »

The proportion converted to trans is highly variable - in general, UK oils have low levels of trans, however Researchers at the University of Florida at Gainesville, found that liquid canola / rapeseed oils sold in the USA contained as much as 4.6 percent trans fat. Currently this trans fat content is not usually listed on labels and consumers have no way of knowing it is present.

maltesers the mccance and widdowson food database is showing a nil/trace value on trans fats for all blended vegetable oils tested in the uk, they have tested 32 different types. My understanding is that we need to avoid hydrogenated vegetable oils, rather than trace amounts of naturally occuring trans fats, which are in many many normal unprocessed foods.

I know some people will prefer to eradicate them altogether. That's fine, I have no problem with that at all.

artybear

maltesers wrote: »

If you google why other countries have banned them and why so many UK health bodies want to you will discover that they lead to strokes, heart attacks, diabetes and are implicated in some cancers and various other health problems including obesity. Largely relating to our bodies not recognising them.

Most of the people on here are very young and the trans fat problem is cumulative. But trans fat plaque has been found in even very young children. It takes time for the problems to develop and by the time they do it is too late and the damage is done.

Many people of my generation and older were raised on margerine which was totally loaded with trans fats. Quite probably the reason why my father died at 52 for otherwise the diet was very basic meat and veg and porrige etc. These have been stopped but industrial oils have taken their place. As trans fats are banned the new methods, interesterification etc, will take their place and no doubt be equally damaging. Only by accepting the problem of industrial oils and working against them will we make any difference to future health

Most olive oils are OK as are natural fats like coconut oil, lard etc

I did raise concerns back in Feb but more and more bodies are calling for a ban so I brought it up again.

Thanks I have just googled.

Your right it does make interesting reading, also what you say makes interesting reading too. I'm not sure how old your father was or what generation he belonged to but I have read many things that claim that the war generation were one of the healthiest ever so I wonder how they could have been that affected by trans-fats?

Also a type of trans-fat occurs in things which are natural, every day food such as milk and some animal products which seems to be the reason that the UK hasnt banned them as it is quite hard to do that.

The processed trans-fats do seem to be quite harming but in my personal opinion the low quality of them that occur in the cfr planner wouldnt worry me. Each to their own but I get so confused with food being bad or good that I sort of go with my gut and think everything in moderation is fine. I understand if weezl was promoting kfc every night but I think in the course of a healthy diet I will risk the chances and still eat them.

This is of course my own personal opinion and it was very interesting reading about trans-fats:).

maltesers_2

weezl74 wrote: »

maltesers the mccance and widdowson food database is showing a nil/trace value on trans fats for all blended vegetable oils tested in the uk, they have tested 32 different types. My understanding is that we need to avoid hydrogenated vegetable oils, rather than trace amounts of naturally occuring trans fats, which are in many many normal unprocessed foods.

I know some people will prefer to eradicate them altogether. That's fine, I have no problem with that at all.

The food database shows a nil/trace on Elmlea too. But it is rather out of date 2002 I believe.

Trace amounts of naturally occurring trans fat as found in animal products are apparently fine and in some cases such as CLA actually beneficial. All industrial trans fats produced by industrial production and heat treatment such as hydrogenation are the bad one and many say all of these should be eliminated. Many are not even shown on labels at all.

weezl74

maltesers wrote: »

The food database shows a nil/trace on Elmlea too. But it is rather out of date 2002 I believe.

Trace amounts of naturally occurring trans fat as found in animal products are apparently fine and in some cases such as CLA actually beneficial. All industrial trans fats produced by industrial production and heat treatment such as hydrogenation are the bad one and many say all of these should be eliminated. Many are not even shown on labels at all.

i must have a different version then mine is showing the elmlea with a value for transfats, maybe I downloaded the newer version?