A Disabled Charity And A PPC

lucylucky

Flipper38 wrote: »

Surely it depends on what the long term condition is! Just because you may have been diagnosed with a long term condition, it doesn't mean you are eligible for a blue badge.



Why would you not get one if you have a disability that means you are eligible for one? It's very unlikely that you'd never want to get into a car and be driven somewhere.

(However, as you'll see below, as long as you contact the PPC and explain why you don't have a Badge, I'm sure they'll be able to accomodate you)



If you was taking a passenger with one of these disabilities why would you need to park in a disabled bay. Therefore why should the car park allow you to park in a disabled bay when you have no need to park there and they have no need to let you. You aren't being discriminated against because these disabilities are not hindering your ability to park.



Children are eligible for blue badges, ergo why wouldn't you get one for your child?



The Blue Badge is a European parking scheme. Visitors from outside Europe usually have their own version of the disabled badge.



You are absolutely correct, a disabled person doesn't have to have one if they don't want one. However, they would then have to contact the PPC and explain that, and then the PPC could provide for them accordingly.

As you are well aware the terms of parking in a private car park usually state only Blue badge holders can park in the disabled bays. If you choose not to have a blue badge and you decide not to contact the PPC to make other arrangements then you only have yourself to blame.



Please see the second paragraph of my answer above.



HTH - I assume this is an abbreviation for "happy to help" if so it is most inappropriate

Regards

Flipper

In a private car park no-one need ever contact a PPC so once again your information and "advice" is wrong

trisontana

nicechap wrote: »

From the look of their main website, they seem to be a worthwhile campaigning charity to increase access to all manner of services for disabled people.

However, I can't find their report & accounts, or a list of their trustees on their website. Am I being dim?

All that information is available on the Charity Commission's website

taffy056

Flipper You haven't answered my post, so its below again just in case you forgot, do you want to comment on the blue badge scheme that has no relevance to private parking car parks?

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So pay close attention to the direct gov website below - end of discussion really as the government clearly shows where the blue badge scheme operates - next question ?


About the scheme

The Blue Badge Scheme only applies to on-street parking.


Where the scheme does not apply

The Blue Badge Scheme does not apply to off-street car parks, private roads and at most airports.

You can find airport plans showing the location of parking spaces for disabled people on the Blue Badge map.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Disabled...eme/DG_4001061

trisontana

The same point needs to be put to Mobilise over their stupid Baywatch page. . Their email address is :- enquiries@mobilise.info

Coupon-mad

Flipper/Dolphin (whatever your name is) what is your vested interest in this?

You certainly don't have a clue about the important matter of the DDA breach that PPCs commit when they pick on disabled people without a Blue Badge.

Signs in a private car park along the lines of 'disabled bays are only for Blue Badge holders' do NOT form an enforceable contract, any more than if they said 'disabled bays are only for disabled people with a walking aid'. These bays are for the use of ANYONE who meets the DDA definition of disability:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001069

There are no two ways about it, the law says that any 'reasonable adjustment' a retailer makes (such as providing disabled bays, slopes, wider doorways etc.) are for the benefit of ALL disabled people not just those with mobility problems.

And your response that said 'If you was {sic} taking a passenger with one of these disabilities why would you need to park in a disabled bay?' sums up your knowledge about the needs of disabled people who have issues other than mobility. Those bays have two main features - firstly, they are wider to allow more room for manoeuvre for people with wheelchairs or walking aids. And secondly they are close to the store. Some disabled people's needs require the former and some the latter feature, and some both.

IMHO it was pretty insulting and shocking that you don't think people driving passengers with learning difficulties or a sight impairment need to be allowed to park close to the store! Were you serious? (or in your language, was you serious?!).:eek:

bromsgrovebarry

Coupon Mad, I am glad that we have someone with your expertise to expose this unholy alliance for what it is. I have learned some useful facts about disability and the law. Thank you.

fb1969

Interesting that Mobilise's home page says:

"Mobilise is the campaigning charity for disabled motorists, passengers and Blue Badge holders"

So at least the person that wrote the website knows the difference!

trisontana

More information about blue badges from this website. Note this section:-

The blue badge bays provided in supermarket and other off-street car parks are not covered by the regulations governing the Blue Badge Scheme, which only apply to on-street bays. These bays are in most cases not legally enforceable and their use depends to a large extent on the courtesy and consideration of other drivers. If you see bays being abused by non-disabled people, we suggest you bring this to the attention of the appropriate store or car park operator.

That should be on the Mobilise website. Not all that nonsense that appears on their Baywatch page with all its talk of blue badges and fines.

lucylucky

trisontana wrote: »

More information about blue badges from this website. Note this section:-

The blue badge bays provided in supermarket and other off-street car parks are not covered by the regulations governing the Blue Badge Scheme, which only apply to on-street bays. These bays are in most cases not legally enforceable and their use depends to a large extent on the courtesy and consideration of other drivers. If you see bays being abused by non-disabled people, we suggest you bring this to the attention of the appropriate store or car park operator.

That should be on the Mobilise website. Not all that nonsense that appears on their Baywatch page with all its talk of blue badges and fines.

As it would appear that someone from Mobilise reads this site and amends their web page info (or maybe that is just a co-incidence;)) then perhaps they will see the error of their ways?

Or perhaps they will leave the rubbish and incorrect information which is of no benefit to anyone on there.

taffy056

Flipper38 wrote: »

The Blue Badge is a European parking scheme. Visitors from outside Europe usually have their own version of the disabled badge.

I realise you only answer during office hours, bet its busy correcting all those errors on your website

But a point above, what happens if you don't come from Europe? Do Mobilise then endorse tickets being placed on people's cars because they are disabled but come from somewhere else in the world? Isn't that a form of discrimination ?