Warm bottles or not??

faerie_girl

Would also like to point out in the 'olden days' a lot more babies died of SIDS.

smartie12

faerie_girl wrote: »

The reason they 'breastfeeding police' like to stick their oar in is that most of the population (including some health professionals) don't know or understand the risks with formula feeding.

But why would the "breastfeeding police" stick their oar in on a thread started by OP specifically about formula feeding???

And I'm sure the OP didn't start the thread to discuss "the dangers" *cough* of formula feeding.

squashy

I take it I am being referred to as "the breastfeeding police". If you read my post properly you would see that I have also Formula Fed, because I didn't know any better. If back then someone had taken just a second to point out to me that actually formula is not all it's cracked up to be I'd have been very thankful. As it was the only "advice" I saw was from marketing produced or heavily subsidised by formula companies. I don't have an axe to grind. It was relevant to the discussion albeit indirectly.

If someone had posted asking where they can buy a volkswagen polo and someone said that volvo do a similar spec car but with much better features, would you call them the volvo police?

To be honest I have used forums of all types in my time and in my experience it is the "formula feeding police", for want of a better phrase, that are the ones to get shirty! Never understood why it is the breastfeeders that get such a bad press. We are *all* parents just trying to do what we can for our children at the end of the day.

dreambirdie

oh my god im even more confused than i was when i started the thread :rotfl:

thinks il just have to go with the flow and see what is handiest for me.

i think the reason people are commenting on the "breastfeeding" police is because it was quite clear when i started the thread i would be formula feeding. and to those who asked "why are you not breastfeeding, its the best you can do for your child bla bla bla" im not because i just cant be bothered having sore boobs etc for a few weeks. i know thats selfish but i dont care

cheers everyone for your input its gave me quite a lot to think about and im sure il find some tricks of my own to make the 4am feeds a little bit easier xx

Glamazon

emsywoo123 wrote: »

So you are saying I cannot:

Boil kettle
Make say 3 feeds up in sterilized bottles within 30 mins of kettle boiling
Immediately store in fridge
Warm as required within say next 8 hours?

The boiling water will kill the bacteria.

I used to boil the kettle and make up 6 bottles with formula powder, then stand in cold water to chill then pop in the fridge. I will do this with future babies as well. I then pop in the Microwave to heat up for 45 seconds.

The guidelines are there for people to be aware and make their own decisions.

thatgirlsam

Glamazon wrote: »

The boiling water will kill the bacteria.

I used to boil the kettle and make up 6 bottles with formula powder, then stand in cold water to chill then pop in the fridge. I will do this with future babies as well. I then pop in the Microwave to heat up for 45 seconds.

The guidelines are there for people to be aware and make their own decisions.

there is a risk, albeit small, that bacteria can develop in feeds that are left even in the fridge

Glamazon

thatgirlsam wrote: »

there is a risk, albeit small, that bacteria can develop in feeds that are left even in the fridge

Remind me never to sit next to you on a plane
A very small percentage of babies have fallen ill due the bacteria which is why they've changed the method of preparation. I'm sure in another few years, they'll have changed it all again like they seem to do with most things.
When babies are really young and feeding sporadically, you can't wait 30 mins for the kettle to boil it's ridiculous! Or should I boil the kettle with fresh water every 30 minutes in anticipation?

Why can't you use boiling water? Surely that's hot enough to kill any bacteria?

Yes, there is a risk but then there's a risk with everything and I've not followed what 'they' say since my son was born.

He was put on his front to sleep from 16 weeks
Weaned at 18 weeks
In his own room at 20 weeks
And he now sleeps on a pillow
I haven't sterilised since he was 9 months

He refuses to sleep on his back, was feeding 2hrly day and night at 18 weeks, we woke him up every night when he was in with us and as we sometimes co-sleep he likes a pillow to snuggle with.

Like I said, the guidelines are there for people to read and be aware of but if they decide not to follow those guidelines then that is their choice.

thatgirlsam

Glamazon wrote: »

Remind me never to sit next to you on a plane
A very small percentage of babies have fallen ill due the bacteria which is why they've changed the method of preparation. I'm sure in another few years, they'll have changed it all again like they seem to do with most things.
When babies are really young and feeding sporadically, you can't wait 30 mins for the kettle to boil it's ridiculous! Or should I boil the kettle with fresh water every 30 minutes in anticipation?

Why can't you use boiling water? Surely that's hot enough to kill any bacteria?

Yes, there is a risk but then there's a risk with everything and I've not followed what 'they' say since my son was born.

He was put on his front to sleep from 16 weeks
Weaned at 18 weeks
In his own room at 20 weeks
And he now sleeps on a pillow
I haven't sterilised since he was 9 months

He refuses to sleep on his back, was feeding 2hrly day and night at 18 weeks, we woke him up every night when he was in with us and as we sometimes co-sleep he likes a pillow to snuggle with.

Like I said, the guidelines are there for people to read and be aware of but if they decide not to follow those guidelines then that is their choice.

i definitley agree its your choice :T

i work in a maternity unit and i just want people to have an informed choice

when i had my dd 10 years ago i made all the feeds up for the day and left them in the fridge, nothing bad ever happened to her either

since working in the hospital and seeing some very poorly babies i just wouldn't take the chance now, as i said you can't remove all the danger, only reduce the risks as much as you can

pigpen

thatgirlsam wrote: »

a lot of babies got ill in the 'olden days'

a lot of babies died, infant mortality was high

at the end of the day, no-one has to take the advice.. i don't know why people get so funny about it

if WHO were aware of babies becoming ill and that a death had been attributed to formula feeds not being made correctly, and then didn't adjust their guidelines and let people carry on they would be negligent

its advice, not the law!

eta - if you are leaving bolied water in the fridge and adding formula when its cold then none of the potential bacteria in the formula will have been killed off

water has to be 70 degrees for this to happen

Pasteurisation of cow ilk is done at 71'C so it is to correspond with this... basicaly you aare pasteurising the formula.

Infany mortality improved loads when antibiotics became widespread during the early 1950's. During this time bottles etc were boiled to kill bugs.

squashy wrote: »

To be honest I have used forums of all types in my time and in my experience it is the "formula feeding police", for want of a better phrase, that are the ones to get shirty! Never understood why it is the breastfeeders that get such a bad press. We are *all* parents just trying to do what we can for our children at the end of the day.

But they do get a lot of jip.. media, health professionals other mums etc. it is enough to set anyone on the defensive immediately.. I'm all for choice but it must be an informed choice.

dreambirdie..as with ALL advice.. you look at what is there and you take from it the bits which will work for you.. trial and error is best.. if baby drinks the milk as it comes.. all well and good but one of mine used to want it really warm.. warmer than the docs or anyone liked.. but that was his preference! You learn as you get to know your baby.

emsywoo123

30 years ago I was brought up from a few weeks on just bottle fed goats milk......bottles sterilised but milk more or less from the teat.....jsut thought I'd through that in :rotfl::rotfl: