Warm bottles or not??

thatgirlsam

pigpen wrote: »

But how unsafe is feeding them residue from the steriliser? cold water sterilisers you have traces of the bleach used to sterilise in the milk which has been found in the baby's gut.

You bath the baby in the tap water.. how unsafe can it be?

I think it is taken WAY too far TBH.. I can understand saying to practice good hygiene.. etc but how far do you takeit? Some people are still sterilising stuff at way over a year old.. and it is totally unnecessary.. there does need to be some hard guidelines rather than leaving it all to supposition which it often is.

Anyway, I intend being totally vile.. I am stuffing an unsterile boob in my baby's mouth lol.. probably followed by an unsterile pacifier!

as i said, it up to you .. they are the guidelines which you do not have to follow

you cannot remove all the dangers, all you can do is minimise the risk to your baby

its up to you wether you do that or not!

the babycenter gives this info on why to sterilise -

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/baby/formula/sterilising/

mumslave

you mean you dont put your boob in the steraliser?! I bet you made the milk 24 hours ago too :eek:

thatgirlsam

mumslave wrote: »

you mean you dont put your boob in the steraliser?! I bet you made the milk 24 hours ago too :eek:

:rotfl::rotfl:

unless the milk has curdled inside your breast you should be fine

its the germs found in the milk residue inside bottles that are particularly nasty

lauren_1

Room temp??

Too cold, should be blood temp and no higher.

mumslave

lauren_1 wrote: »

Room temp??

Too cold, should be blood temp and no higher.

Tell that to my 5 month old son whom just drank 8 ounces without stopping :rotfl:

pigpen

thatgirlsam wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:

unless the milk has curdled inside your breast you should be fine

its the germs found in the milk residue inside bottles that are particularly nasty

Exactly.. so you can sterilise all you like but if you have not washed the equipment properly you may as well not bother.

My nephew was constantly sick as a baby as his mother would scrupulously sterilise the bottles.. BUT she NEVER took the teats from the caps when washing them so there was rancid milk around the teat.. it was gross.. VERY...

tanmu

I've made bottles for all of mine in pretty much all of the ways mentioned.....boiled water cooled bottles made up as needed, bottles all made up for next 24hrs and stored in fridge to be heated as needed and the odd ready made carton for emergencies. Have also given dd cold bottle straight from the fridge when we were on holiday in the caribbean and I'd switched to mixed feeding - it was over 30 degrees in the shade so she loved the cold milk.

I am plannign on BF again for as long as possible, but if and when I move onto FF I shall make up the feeds with boiled water in advance and store them in the fridge. One death (as tragic as it is) is hardly a reason to start panicking every other mother out there.

And weren't we told for years that pg women should avoid peanuts as they put their babies at risk of developing allergies...now we are told there is no evidence to support this. The guidelines change so often that it seems you can't go a week without being told something new and contradictory to all previous advice. I think that this has served to scare mothers into no longer trusting common sense and natural instinct. We are too frightened to trust our own judgement and experience anymore.

Evansangel

thatgirlsam wrote: »

im sure that the parents of the baby who sadly lost its life thought that too

im really, really not trying to scare anybody and i am most definitley not a member of the breast feeding police i promise

it is important to make each feed as you go.. i know its inconvenient at time but please don't take the risk

the cartoons are a godsend if you can afford them

The cartons are slightly different though, we use Aptamil and its white, the cartons are yellowy and they made her sick.

I do almost make each feed as i go, i only store the water in the fridge until its time for bottles. My steriliser takes about 15 mins in all, and only can store them sterile for upto 3hrs, so its kinda useless.

Also, (and i hate it when people quote this to me, so im sorry in advance) but what about in the olden days? When they had none of this fancy streilising equipment and none of these guidelines?

faerie_girl

daphne_descends wrote: »

Utterly baffling that people will risk this when the advice is clear and easy to follow.

Was just going to mention this. There is a WHO pdf but at the moment I can't find it.

The reason they 'breastfeeding police' like to stick their oar in is that most of the population (including some health professionals) don't know or understand the risks with formula feeding.

Yes the majority of babies may do fine on it, you might have done well with it 30 odd years ago when the guidlines were completely different. It doesn't stop babies getting ill or dying because their parents didn't prepare their formula correctly.

Formula isn't sterile. It contains lots of bacteria, some which can cause menengitis. Why would you risk it? Your baby might be crying and getting upset at being hungry but wouldn't you rather that than having them in hospital full of pain?

Formula companies do not care about babies they just want the profits. Thats why they don't mention the true ingredients in their products but use scientific names. You won't see fish on the label but it's in there.


So please do forgive the people who want to give correct advice and help educate people. It's not so they can be smug about their successful breastfeeding til their LO was 5 at the same time as bfing a newborn. Its so they can help save babies getting ill or at worst dying.

thatgirlsam

Evansangel wrote: »

The cartons are slightly different though, we use Aptamil and its white, the cartons are yellowy and they made her sick.

I do almost make each feed as i go, i only store the water in the fridge until its time for bottles. My steriliser takes about 15 mins in all, and only can store them sterile for upto 3hrs, so its kinda useless.

Also, (and i hate it when people quote this to me, so im sorry in advance) but what about in the olden days? When they had none of this fancy streilising equipment and none of these guidelines?

a lot of babies got ill in the 'olden days'

a lot of babies died, infant mortality was high

at the end of the day, no-one has to take the advice.. i don't know why people get so funny about it

if WHO were aware of babies becoming ill and that a death had been attributed to formula feeds not being made correctly, and then didn't adjust their guidelines and let people carry on they would be negligent

its advice, not the law!

eta - if you are leaving bolied water in the fridge and adding formula when its cold then none of the potential bacteria in the formula will have been killed off

water has to be 70 degrees for this to happen