Bread is bad for you!

jenniewb

Bread is only bad for you if you have Celiac issues. Most people do not and their bodies can deal with the bread they eat fine.

Most people who cut it out notice a weight drop for one of two reasons:
1. they do not subsitute the same amount of calories for the bread they used to eat so are basicly eating less
2. when you initally stop eating carbohydrates like bread you lose water weight. Carbohydrates can hold onto water and this is perfectly natural, perfectly harmless. If you cut them out you lose this water, but gradually it does come back as your body does not like to be dehydrated so if your cutting out carbs to lose weight, your not going to have lost that weight for long unless your using it in connection to a calorie reduced diet.

Same goes when you start to eat carbohydrates again after having cut them out: your body holds into more water. After about 10 days this does go down somewhat and your body normalises itself.

Bread is fine to eat. If your trying to be healthy, multigrain bread (the one with bits in) rather then white bread which is refined or brown bread which is just white bread but with dye or bits of ground wheat in to colour, both the latter two are high in GI terms which can make cravings more challenging then they need to be.

Please don't cut out carbs completely on the back of a diet plan (which at best sounds like a fad), carbs are required for your bodies health and have very important nutritional resons to be in your diet. Cutting them out for good may also be quite tricky, if your cutting them out for a few weeks to lose weight, guess what- all the weight will come back again once you go back to eating the way you were before.

Bronnie

I try to avoid bread and pasta too. In fact pasta I've gone off completely and seems like pure stodge to me now! I'm substituting dark rye Ryvita, occasionally potatoes cooked in their skins and porridge for brekkie instead of toast.

Eric_Pisch

Apollonia wrote: »

My bold - you think so? Archaeologists have evidence of wheat cultivation in what's now Turkey going back to 9000 BC - and at least 3000 BC was when wheat reached England.

And that's just cultivated wheat - ie deliberately grown as a food crop. There is evidence of wild barley going back to 23,000 BC so there is every chance that man has been eating wheat in some form or another for just as long!

evolutionary thats a very short space of time, we have not changed (apart from getting fatter) in that time

i have stopped eating processed / refined carbs (bread pasta etc) and have found i feel much better and my IBS is 10% of what it was

Eric_Pisch

jenniewb wrote: »

Please don't cut out carbs completely on the back of a diet plan (which at best sounds like a fad), carbs are required for your bodies health and have very important nutritional resons to be in your diet. Cutting them out for good may also be quite tricky, if your cutting them out for a few weeks to lose weight, guess what- all the weight will come back again once you go back to eating the way you were before.

not strictly true, there are a couple of cultures that have survived on carb free diets because of there environment, our bodies do not need carbs per say.

it is however extremely hard in modern society to live carb free or on a highly reduced carb diet for the long term

a reduced carb diet is very manageable (say 33% of your cal intake) and may even be preferable for those with a sedentary lifestyle, there is a lot of evidence now to support low/reduced carb diets which show they are not only very effective at weight loss but they also improve blood levels. My cholesterol level is now 4.3 and my glucose level is in a constant range of 4.5-5.8 (it was hitting 10+ on a high carb diet). People have reversed type II diabetes on low carb diets.

There are several ways people people gain weight quickly after a diet

You go on a "diet" and not a lifestyle change, after the diet you go back to your old eating habits, you put weight on before and surprisingly you put it back on again

You don't eat enough (VLCD) and put your body into starvation mode, the body then tries to store as much energy as it can to build up stores for the next "famine", you also loose lean muscle mass on a very low calorie diet so your metabolic rate is reduced which means you need less energy to survive and therefore put weight on easier than before.

When on a low/reduced carb you are aiming to deplete the bodies store of glycogen so that you can go into ketosis (fat burning mode), glycogen is stored in water and can weigh between 5-10lbs depending on your size. If you deplete this store then go on a carb frenzy you will put on a small amount of weight as you fill this store up. If your glycogen store is full any extra carbs you eat are instantly turned into fat by the body, this is the fastest way to store body fat so its a good idea not to let it get full.

If you take a lifestyle change rather than a diet and eat the correct amount of calories for your maintenance BMR you should not put on weight apart from possibly a readjustment to your glycogen store.

lola34

I've lost over a stone and a half since January, it was only after looking back a while ago I realised how little bread I had eaten during this time, one day I had toast for breakfast though and then a sandwich for dinner and I felt soooo bloated, I now try and avoid it, ryvita and rice cakes though I do have the occasional bagel

sara86pink

I find that I dont like bread at all these days. OH is a coeliac so cant eat wheat so we buy subsitute pasta and bread, but because he doesnt like the bread we hardly eat it at all.

I have to eat the odd bit of wheat because if I dont I could create an intolerance to it which isnt a good idea!

I just find that when I eat wheat related products (bread, cakes etc) I always feel weighed down in my stomach as it really fills me up so I try not to eat too much.

Saying that though, for last couple of days I've been trying my new lifestyle and eating more fruit and generally trying to be more healthy and because my body is not used to this (healthy food?!?! what are you doing woman!!!) it doesnt know what to do with itself lol!

GEEGEE8

Jennie - I have tvo disagree with you saying bread is fine unless you have a health issue. I find that bread is very bad for me and makes me feel awful, it's full of chemicals and has very little nutritional value. I for one am cutting it out, it's not part of a new diet fad or anything, I'm just chosing to not eat it because it makes me tired and have cravings..

jenniewb

GEEGEE8 wrote: »

Jennie - I have tvo disagree with you saying bread is fine unless you have a health issue. I find that bread is very bad for me and makes me feel awful, it's full of chemicals and has very little nutritional value. I for one am cutting it out, it's not part of a new diet fad or anything, I'm just chosing to not eat it because it makes me tired and have cravings..

How do you know you don't have a health issue if it makes you feel bad?

I just think this thread- or the name of it, is really just wrong- saying something is bad for you, making a sweeping statement like that as a result of some new-age diet plan is really dangerous and unhelpful to those who maybe have developing minds, and then to go further and to talk about cutting carbs completely when there is more evidence to show carbs are helpful rather then not.... It
also concerns me- there are many people who read these threads and many of them are young enough to be impressionable yet old enough to understand.

And where as the bread you buy from Tesco value or whatever other packaged white bread you may find may well have chemicals, not all does, what about things like home made bread? what about multigrain bread made in the places that you buy? (not premix made, but hand made). Highly chemicalised foods may well trip up most stomachs, but bread is not always highly chemicalised.

Where there may be people in other countries who only live off protein (which by the way I am unaware of Eric- any details would be much appreciated) I do feel that carbs are an important part of anyones diet and infact help with hunger pangs in the short term so help to prevent over eating provided you chose a good quality low GI version.

GEEGEE8

jenniewb wrote: »

How do you know you don't have a health issue if it makes you feel bad?

I just think this thread- or the name of it, is really just wrong- saying something is bad for you, making a sweeping statement like that as a result of some new-age diet plan is really dangerous and unhelpful to those who maybe have developing minds, and then to go further and to talk about cutting carbs completely when there is more evidence to show carbs are helpful rather then not.... It
also concerns me- there are many people who read these threads and many of them are young enough to be impressionable yet old enough to understand.

And where as the bread you buy from Tesco value or whatever other packaged white bread you may find may well have chemicals, not all does, what about things like home made bread? what about multigrain bread made in the places that you buy? (not premix made, but hand made). Highly chemicalised foods may well trip up most stomachs, but bread is not always highly chemicalised.

Where there may be people in other countries who only live off protein (which by the way I am unaware of Eric- any details would be much appreciated) I do feel that carbs are an important part of anyones diet and infact help with hunger pangs in the short term so help to prevent over eating provided you chose a good quality low GI version.

Maybe I do have a health issue, I'm not sure. But the point is that we aren't meant to eat bread. Remember I said bread, not carbs! Only a small percentage of people make their own bread, which I'm sure is healthier.. but for me, it would still cause that stodgy feeling and not be healthy for me (and many others).

The thread title is my choice, I don't need tips from someone, it was meant to be a lighthearted discussion on people's experiences and view based on the book I had just finished reading. Not an in depth discussion about how you are right and I am wrong. I don't think I am right on all my points, but I'm happy to state what I have read/seen/experienced and for people to say their view. You just seem to think I'm on a crazy carb cutting fad diet and I'm in the wrong.

I'm not on a carb cutting fad diet, I'm trying to make myself feel better by eliminating food that seems to have an adverse reaction to me.

As for being a bad impression on young people? well, I think that's a slight exaggeration really.

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GEEGEE8 wrote: »

What main foods have gluten in them? Or is that a never ending question? lol

Pasta, bread, flour, cereals, plus it is added to loads of stuff like burgers, chips etc. you really must read the label.

The main adjustment for me was giving up sandwiches because g/f bread is ok when toasted (Genius range) but not for sandwiches. If you can give up sandwiches, then everything else is easy as most supermarkets, particularly Waitrose, Tesco and Sainsbury have a wide range of g/f products and ingredients.

My bf lost over a stone just by going gluten free :eek: I also lost weight, which is not good because I was slim to start with