Uncle taken money........

emsywoo123

RAS wrote: »

Here: http://www.cifas.org.uk/default.asp?edit_id=565-85

A bit bolted horse but if uncle's extra income source is removed, he might try it.

Thank you, as additional concerns now include if there is a will that the 2 siblings do not know about, my mum is concerned that things may take a sinister step now the additional income has been removed. I told her not to be daft that he would not go that far, but none of us thought he would steal from him........:eek:

RAS

If you want to frighten yourselves witless re Jellywobble's thread here https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2251119

Does GF own the house?

calleyw

Also if your uncle is on any means tested benefits such as housing benefit and council tax benefit then DWP will class this as fraud.

So there is a lot to think about.

Yours

Calley

emsywoo123

RAS wrote: »

If you want to frighten yourselves witless re Jellywobble's thread here https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2251119

Does GF own the house?

I will brace myself for that thread.

Yes, he does, it was ex-council that I believe he bought outright approx 20 years ago? Had a small mortgage, paid off.

Value approx £150K as a flying guess.

emsywoo123

calleyw wrote: »

Also if your uncle is on any means tested benefits such as housing benefit and council tax benefit then DWP will class this as fraud.

So there is a lot to think about.

Yours

Calley

He is, I believe, on both of these.

calleyw

emsywoo123 wrote: »

He is, I believe, on both of these.

Then he needs to be reported for fraud then.

As you can't have any more than 16K max to get means tested benefits.

And if he has spent the money it will be classed as deprivation of captial.

Which means they tread it as if he still has it. And they only allow X per year to be drawn down. And that sort of money he would not get any means tested benefits for years.

Yours

Calley

RAS

I am not sure if "gifts" from Granddad would count as income, even if he did not know he was making them.

However, I think you should throw everything at the theiving so and so, so get him reported.

emsywoo123

calleyw wrote: »

Then he needs to be reported for fraud then.

As you can't have any more than 16K max to get means tested benefits.

And if he has spent the money it will be classed as deprivation of captial.

Which means they tread it as if he still has it. And they only allow X per year to be drawn down. And that sort of money he would not get any means tested benefits for years.

Yours

Calley

My only thought is that he has now got married and moved in with her about 3 months ago. I have no idea if he has told DWP. If he has, will tehy even look into it as it was in the past?

It looks like approx £80K at the moment. What are the likely ramifications of this coming out? Some sort of sanction, or prison?

RAS

You might want to start by checking the Land Registry on-line incase there are any charges agains the house? http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/

calleyw

emsywoo123 wrote: »

My only thought is that he has now got married and moved in with her about 3 months ago. I have no idea if he has told DWP. If he has, will tehy even look into it as it was in the past?

It looks like approx £80K at the moment. What are the likely ramifications of this coming out? Some sort of sanction, or prison?

The money has to be somewhere. It is very hard to make £80K + disappear.

Unless he has bought a house the money has to be somewhere.

Even if he took it in small amounts of say 2-3K at a time. The DWP will need to know about the money. So if you know the money went missing say from Jan 09. Then your uncle will have to let them know. We are not talking about a few hundred pounds this is tens of thousands and would need to be declared.

The DWP will be able to look in to his bank accounts. Was the money taken in cash or cheques or internet transfers? There are trails for all of above. If it was cash how was the cash got out? etc etc.

Depends on what can be proven will depend on what happens.

Yours

Calley