Mobility car. Who can use it...?

cyclonebri1

harveybobbles wrote: »

This is about the use of the car, not the Blu Badge. But thanks anyway

These things overlap tho'. It's exactly the same road tax issue with a mobility car as it is with a privately owned disabled drivers car, ie, they both get "free", and it is only for the uses specified.
There is no mechanism in place for anyone to tax a mobility car normally that allows anyone to use it for other purposes.
Thefore the only solution is to spend the mobility component on a private car and forget the free tax.

I have an estate car, had it before I became entitled to DLA, still the right car for me as the fixed roof bars help immensly with getting in and out of the car.

But occaisionally one of the kids wants to borrow it as a load carrier, shift a freezer or something, easy, I go with them

pstuart

Lets get into the real world here, Motabilty, although a 'charity' and therfore VAT exempt (thats why their lease deals are cheaper), is a very efficient 'business' run for profit.
They spread their net to make as much money as possible, thats one of the reasons why they have such a good range of cars on offer
They have certain printed rules to make it appear that the scheme is only about disability but the rules are only a guideline.

The car list includes 2 door Minis, Mazda MX5,s and BMW coupes etc. - rarely leased for the disabled person but for a family member to enjoy.

Motabilty are aware of this (must be thousands of under 21 year olds on the policys as named drivers) but turn a blind eye unless accident claims start to mount up.

The local College car park has quite a few new cars driven by teenagers with disabled tax stickers including my nephew (non of whom are disabled) 'if I had a bump I tell them that I was out shopping for my Mum/Gran/Aunt etc.

Go to work in it, thousands do - enjoy!

cyclonebri1

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pstuart wrote: »

Lets get into the real world here, Motabilty, although a 'charity' and therfore VAT exempt (thats why their lease deals are cheaper), is a very efficient 'business' run for profit.
They spread their net to make as much money as possible, thats one of the reasons why they have such a good range of cars on offer
They have certain printed rules to make it appear that the scheme is only about disability but the rules are only a guideline.

The car list includes 2 door Minis, Mazda MX5,s and BMW coupes etc. - rarely leased for the disabled person but for a family member to enjoy.

Motabilty are aware of this (must be thousands of under 21 year olds on the policys as named drivers) but turn a blind eye unless accident claims start to mount up.

The local College car park has quite a few new cars driven by teenagers with disabled tax stickers including my nephew (non of whom are disabled) 'if I had a bump I tell them that I was out shopping for my Mum/Gran/Aunt etc.

Go to work in it, thousands do - enjoy!

:j:j:jThanks Stuart.

I posted exactly this a year or so ago. And I was cried down for the post.
The fact that mobility was a buisiness that provided income and good salaries to the fat cats that run it. The only reason it gets charitable status is that no profit or dividends are taken.

There are cheaper and more cost effective ways to provide "motion".
DLA claimants simply get hoodwinked into believing they are getting something free. Unfortunatly the general public do too. :mad:

They are giving nothing away for free

easy

I have a car from motability, have done for the last 9 years, and it is a scheme which has worked well for me so far. Every time the vehicle is due to change i do a lot of work, looking at what cars would do the job for me, and whether I can achieve the objectives I have outside of motability. So far I haven't been able to do so (because second-hand low mileage automatic estate cars are thin on the ground, and auto estate is essential for me, and buying a suitable car from new can't be done within the DLA budget), but I will be asking for a price to buy my current car when the lease ends next year.

So I'm not hoodwinked. No they are not giving anything away for free, they don't pretend to. Nor are they the world's greatest ripoff !!

Because I work, and dh does too, and we go off in opposite directions, then we run 2 cars. But he does drive mine from time-to-time, if his is in for a service, or he's nipping down to the shop and mine is first out of the drive. I don't think anyone ever questions the use of the car. And in all the time I've had a disabled tax disc (well before I started using motability), no one has ever questioned us about the tax disc.

sunnyone

pstuart wrote: »

Lets get into the real world here, Motabilty, although a 'charity' and therfore VAT exempt (thats why their lease deals are cheaper), is a very efficient 'business' run for profit.
They spread their net to make as much money as possible, thats one of the reasons why they have such a good range of cars on offer
They have certain printed rules to make it appear that the scheme is only about disability but the rules are only a guideline.

The car list includes 2 door Minis, Mazda MX5,s and BMW coupes etc. - rarely leased for the disabled person but for a family member to enjoy.

Motabilty are aware of this (must be thousands of under 21 year olds on the policys as named drivers) but turn a blind eye unless accident claims start to mount up.

The local College car park has quite a few new cars driven by teenagers with disabled tax stickers including my nephew (non of whom are disabled) 'if I had a bump I tell them that I was out shopping for my Mum/Gran/Aunt etc.

Go to work in it, thousands do - enjoy!

Wrong, the charity side is the grant providing side, the rest is a buisness and every motability car has VAT payed on it, including the ones that disabled (perminant wheelchair users or stretcher users only) people would get VAT zero rated on with a private sale because they are not adapted before collection which is the rule for VAT zero rated and even then the adaptions have to be perminate, substancial and for a wheelchair user or stetcher user.

Some disabled people can use these cars, disablities are diverse.

People under 21 are restricted on the cars that they can be a driver of and like everyother young driver they have a higher excess.

Your bitter and if you cant stand your nephew abusing a motability car report him and the person who is allowing the abuse, to me they should both be banned from motability for 5 years for this abuse.

devizes18193

harveybobbles wrote: »

The situation:

My auntie has been awarded full DLA after sevel years of hell and a list of ailments as long as ET's phone number!

Anyway, she has placed her order for her car and is due to collect it in a few weeks time. Obviously my Uncle is going to be able to use the car too as he will be named on the insurance.

Will my Uncle be able to use the car to get to and from work?

This was a heated debate we were having the other nite and I was saying that the car is for my Auntie to use. Yes my uncle can drive it, but not to get him to and from work...

Your opinions please.

of course he can .
If he did not work aunties postion would be a lot worse so him bringing in the money is benfiting your auntie.
people have said about the tax disc , and in my view have got that wrong as well .
I drive for my son who is disabled and while he is in school have had traffic wardens check the disc with no problem , Granted I was on the normall road not in a disabled bay as the son was not with me but the family shopping benfits the boy .
If there was a issue more people on here would be moaning on being pulled for no tax etc

pstuart

sunnyone wrote: »

Wrong, the charity side is the grant providing side, the rest is a buisness and every motability car has VAT payed on it, including the ones that disabled (perminant wheelchair users or stretcher users only) people would get VAT zero rated on with a private sale because they are not adapted before collection which is the rule for VAT zero rated and even then the adaptions have to be perminate, substancial and for a wheelchair user or stetcher user.

Some disabled people can use these cars, disablities are diverse.

People under 21 are restricted on the cars that they can be a driver of and like everyother young driver they have a higher excess.

Your bitter and if you cant stand your nephew abusing a motability car report him and the person who is allowing the abuse, to me they should both be banned from motability for 5 years for this abuse.

Ooh ere, that touched a nerve, maybe you should change your medication (or even go on some).

1/ Charities reclaim all the VAT
2/ Disabled in a Maxda MX5 ??????
3/ Bitter? Good luck to the kids, Motabilty know whats going on and that was my original point.
4/ They are only restricted by the insurance excess which is infinatley cheaper than what they would normally pay.
5/ My wife is disabled (up most of the night with her again), we (and me) use the car for a variety of uses, some of them for me personally - if I didn't have my own space from time to time I might get bitter!

Sunnyone (irony?) my original note was to help someone into the real world of Motabilty, thats all.

Indie_Kid

pstuart wrote: »

2/ Disabled in a Maxda MX5 ??????

Not every person on HRM is a wheelchair user.

cyclonebri1

easy wrote: »

I have a car from motability, have done for the last 9 years, and it is a scheme which has worked well for me so far. Every time the vehicle is due to change i do a lot of work, looking at what cars would do the job for me, and whether I can achieve the objectives I have outside of motability. So far I haven't been able to do so (because second-hand low mileage automatic estate cars are thin on the ground, and auto estate is essential for me, and buying a suitable car from new can't be done within the DLA budget), but I will be asking for a price to buy my current car when the lease ends next year.

So I'm not hoodwinked. No they are not giving anything away for free, they don't pretend to. Nor are they the world's greatest ripoff !!

Because I work, and dh does too, and we go off in opposite directions, then we run 2 cars. But he does drive mine from time-to-time, if his is in for a service, or he's nipping down to the shop and mine is first out of the drive. I don't think anyone ever questions the use of the car. And in all the time I've had a disabled tax disc (well before I started using motability), no one has ever questioned us about the tax disc.

I agree with what you are saying, my point being that if you want a brand new car then motability probably would prove viable. The point is that I did not buy new cars before my injury and don't wish to blow more money now.

I choose cars at 8 to 12 months old usually with very high mileage, ie, my last Vectra had 22K on at that age and I kept it 7 years, my present estate had 26K on it and thats fine after 3 1/2 years.
We too run 2 cars so the mileage is very much shared

easy

back in the days before we had ds, so needed a family car, I had a sports car, which was funded by my DLA (thru a bank-loan back then).

Just cos I'm disabled doesn't mean I don't have style