Refuse Work Placement on Flexible New Deal

donnajunkie

anakaday wrote: »

People don't get that you are a slave to the government being paid by them. It makes no difference what amount you get.

If you are being paid by the government you are a soldier or a criminal doing community service or a statistic.

If they had a scheme in partnership with private companies or nice jobs to do that you would like to do anyway with training provided than this would be fantastic for your health and nobody should refuse it. You have to see yourself as being paid by the government. Perhaps they should send a payslip to show you the equivalent of what you are earning. This would make it more attractive and give you some sense of independence. I don't mind being forced to work as long as it's good work.

a large part of why people dont like these things is the rules are designed in such a way that it feels like a punishment and that they see you as a criminal. if the info i have read is correct then on the new workfare scheme that starts in june people will be sanctioned 3 months benefits for something as minor as being late.

FOURCANDLES_2

I can understand the slave labour tag, however I am afraid when you are on benefits and unemployed you will have very little respect or consideration from many quarters . I was unemployed 27 years ago under thatcher absolute nightmare so can empathies .However we do have many p/t jobs out there they do not pay much but we have the tax credit system to boost your income and in my view their is no excuse for a person with children and a wife etc to be unemployed for a straight 12 months in a row . People lose the will to work and settle to a life on benefits that is not the answer so anything to get people to work and if that includes these work placements etc then so be it .

FOURCANDLES_2

I would also add just to give ones on here a laugh at the governments expense the following story about a guy who lives down the lane from me .
He has been unemployed more than employed since leaving school in 1981, he has been sent on schemes and voluntary work for years and has drove the JC and all the depts mad as they or I should say he is untouchable . He owns out right a cottage and 3 acres left to him by his parents all he needs to live on is enough to eat and pay his electric bill/council tax he has no car as this could get him to work they cant reduce his benefits because he goes rather happily on the schemes for the last 20 odd years , he even sends the staff at the jc and its dept xmas cards.I know one member of staff at the benefits place has said he is just taking the !!!! but they cant touch him and even under the new rules they believe he again will be untouchable.They are convinced he rents his fields out and is up to other things is he nobody knows he has been warched and followed but they never find anything .

donnajunkie

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

I can understand the slave labour tag, however I am afraid when you are on benefits and unemployed you will have very little respect or consideration from many quarters . I was unemployed 27 years ago under thatcher absolute nightmare so can empathies .However we do have many p/t jobs out there they do not pay much but we have the tax credit system to boost your income and in my view their is no excuse for a person with children and a wife etc to be unemployed for a straight 12 months in a row . People lose the will to work and settle to a life on benefits that is not the answer so anything to get people to work and if that includes these work placements etc then so be it .

fine but get people paid employment then instead of giving them away for a company to use as free labour.

donnajunkie

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

I would also add just to give ones on here a laugh at the governments expense the following story about a guy who lives down the lane from me .
He has been unemployed more than employed since leaving school in 1981, he has been sent on schemes and voluntary work for years and has drove the JC and all the depts mad as they or I should say he is untouchable . He owns out right a cottage and 3 acres left to him by his parents all he needs to live on is enough to eat and pay his electric bill/council tax he has no car as this could get him to work they cant reduce his benefits because he goes rather happily on the schemes for the last 20 odd years , he even sends the staff at the jc and its dept xmas cards.I know one member of staff at the benefits place has said he is just taking the !!!! but they cant touch him and even under the new rules they believe he again will be untouchable.They are convinced he rents his fields out and is up to other things is he nobody knows he has been warched and followed but they never find anything .

so he does everything hes told to do without complaint and they dont like that. would they prefer it if he punched them and told them to f*** off.

FOURCANDLES_2

But you are missing the point, which is why this government is make them do these schemes they hope it will make them try harder to find work or be more willing to take a paid part job instead of staying on benefits and in many case it will work.

donnajunkie

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

But you are missing the point, which is why this government is make them do these schemes they hope it will make them try harder to find work or be more willing to take a paid part job instead of staying on benefits and in many case it will work.

if they think like you say then it only proves that they think the unemployed are all layabouts. if there is work to be had then send them on placement were there is work to be had and dont allow them to be used.

FOURCANDLES_2

Welcome to the real world that is what they do think. Any person who has been unemployed for 12 months or more needs to be introduced back in to the field of work as they will start to get out of the work ethic these placements ok most will not go on to a proper job but it gets them back in to the norm .

AdaptiveSequence

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

I would also add just to give ones on here a laugh at the governments expense the following story about a guy who lives down the lane from me .
He has been unemployed more than employed since leaving school in 1981, he has been sent on schemes and voluntary work for years and has drove the JC and all the depts mad as they or I should say he is untouchable . He owns out right a cottage and 3 acres left to him by his parents all he needs to live on is enough to eat and pay his electric bill/council tax he has no car as this could get him to work they cant reduce his benefits because he goes rather happily on the schemes for the last 20 odd years , he even sends the staff at the jc and its dept xmas cards.I know one member of staff at the benefits place has said he is just taking the !!!! but they cant touch him and even under the new rules they believe he again will be untouchable.They are convinced he rents his fields out and is up to other things is he nobody knows he has been warched and followed but they never find anything .

Cool Story, Bro;)

milfield

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

I would also add just to give ones on here a laugh at the governments expense the following story about a guy who lives down the lane from me .

Fourcandles, the laugh I am afraid is not actually at the Government's expense.

Why are the sanction and disallowance rules in place?

Why are people on here so upset about mandatory courses and the possibility of benefit being stopped if somebody doesn't go on these courses?

Why is it that sometimes people receive disallowances for being late attending for signing, etc?

The guy living down the lane from you (an extreme example obviously) and the likes of him are the ones who are actually having a laugh at the expense of the vast majority of people who claim JSA and desperately want to work.

They are having a laugh at the expense of the very people on this forum who are looking for work but are feeling 'hounded'. His sort are sticking their fingers up to you, not the Government.

I do not find it amusing that people's benefit is being sanctioned because of the likes of him, and I doubt that many other people would either.