Refuse Work Placement on Flexible New Deal

FOURCANDLES_2

It is not being done because of the guy down the lane by me that is a little untrue I and many others including the government do not believe we have millions of idle people sat around we just want the benefit bill cut and for it to go for those in genuine need The government has done it because of the welfare bill, but also because the vast majority of the general public who are not on benefits like the government could not careless about those on benefits and demanded that the welfare bill be slashed .

donnajunkie

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

Welcome to the real world that is what they do think. Any person who has been unemployed for 12 months or more needs to be introduced back in to the field of work as they will start to get out of the work ethic these placements ok most will not go on to a proper job but it gets them back in to the norm .

it doesnt get them back to the norm. they know they havent got a chance of a job. they know they are being used. so they dont care about it. they just go through the motions making sure they dont do anything to get sanctioned. people only work hard if they really enjoy the placement or they are one of the people who dont realise they are being used.
these schemes are supposed to be there to get people jobs.

dmg24

donnajunkie wrote: »

it doesnt get them back to the norm. they know they havent got a chance of a job. they know they are being used. so they dont care about it. they just go through the motions making sure they dont do anything to get sanctioned. people only work hard if they really enjoy the placement or they are one of the people who dont realise they are being used.
these schemes are supposed to be there to get people jobs.

You have just described a layabout perfectly!

FOURCANDLES_2

dmg24 wrote: »

You have just described a layabout perfectly!

IT seems so. Which is a shame they should see it as a leg up not a punishment, if they do that is why they end up getting a kick up the backside.

donnajunkie

dmg24 wrote: »

You have just described a layabout perfectly!

if your employer was not paying you anything and were just useing you then i suspect you wouldnt care much either.

donnajunkie

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

IT seems so. Which is a shame they should see it as a leg up not a punishment, if they do that is why they end up getting a kick up the backside.

leg up to what. they do the placement and when it ends they are straight back on the dole. they only get a kick up the backside if they go too far. if they just go through the motions nothing much is likely to happen to them.

dark_lady

For me it was a leg up into the sex industry as i went from a work placement in a charity shop to a work placement filing at the council to a proper job in a sex chatline office which i applied for off my own back to get off benefits and off New Deal. The New Deal provider at the time (Reed) wernt too happy about what had to go on the paperwork. In fact it took two hours to sign off because they were panicking about it.
Then just after i started the job (which was nightshifts) my boss told me that "someone from the Jobcentre" had been round to the chatline office (during the day while i was at home sleeping, night shifts remember) wanting to know the exact details of the job i was doing. Now it doesnt make sense that it was a Jobcentre advisor cos they have it all to gain when you sign off.
So it must have been someone from Reed New Deal who was !!!!ed at losing his bonus (cos they didnt get one back then if you found a job and signed off on your own back but they got a bonus if you stayed on the dole and kept doing work placements with them) this was ten years ago. I was absolutely furious.
A They could have lost me the new job.
Luckily my boss saw through it and told them to get lost.
B Once i had signed off it was no bloody business of theirs anyway. How dare they.
The Reed advisor even had the cheek to say to me "oh the chatline are only paying you 12 and a half grand a year. We can do better than that." So i fired back, "No you cant. You have had me on work placements for months on end.
Absolutely unbelievable and 12 grand a year was a bloody good wage ten years ago especially in a small town like this. So i bit that companys hand off and kissed New Deal goodbye.

FOURCANDLES_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

leg up to what. they do the placement and when it ends they are straight back on the dole. they only get a kick up the backside if they go too far. if they just go through the motions nothing much is likely to happen to them.

Leg up in the way it will get you back in to the work ethic, gets you motivated again, gets you to want to get up in the morning and say yep I am going to try harder and take anything just to keep me in the work place easier to find a job when in a job.

nexus2011

Most new deals last only a few weeks anyway.If companies persistently take people without employing them then they boot them off the list.

red_devil

what happens if you dont accept the work placement? Do they really stop all benefit?