Refuse Work Placement on Flexible New Deal

donnajunkie

FOURCANDLES wrote: »

Leg up in the way it will get you back in to the work ethic, gets you motivated again, gets you to want to get up in the morning and say yep I am going to try harder and take anything just to keep me in the work place easier to find a job when in a job.

people dont usually need to be sent on a placement to get the ability to do things like set their alarm clock. they dont need a placement to make them want a paid job etc. however lets say it does get people motivated etc. its all for nothing if you dont get a job soon after.

donnajunkie

nexus2011 wrote: »

Most new deals last only a few weeks anyway.If companies persistently take people without employing them then they boot them off the list.

thats not the case around here. they let them get away with it because if they started telling companies they cant have people any more then they would run out of places to send people.

donnajunkie

red_devil wrote: »

what happens if you dont accept the work placement? Do they really stop all benefit?

if it is a requirement that you do a placement and you refuse it then you will be refered for a sanction. they will often let you say no to a particular placement but you will have to do one somewhere else. of course you could get a right so'n'so who will refer you for a sanction just for not wanting to do a particular placement.

Orville

starchild1972 wrote: »

I get well below minimum wage. It's called self-employment!

You should put your prices up then

dark_lady

Four Candles you talk about it getting you motivated to get up in the morning but the chatline job i got was nights. People might work 9 to 5 in your world but thats not the case for everyone.
And i found the chatline job myself so Reed got the hump over losing their bonus and the chance to keep handing me out as free labour. Which is why they came to my office when they knew i wouldnt be there because of sleeping during the day because i worked nights. They were deliberately trying to make a nuisance of themselves hoping my new boss would get fed up and sack me so then i would have to sign on and then be back on their books as free labour again. I was lucky that i had a decent boss who saw through it and told them it was none of their business anymore.
But if these !!!!!!!s had got me the sack i would have gone straight to the press.

AdaptiveSequence

donnajunkie wrote: »

thats not the case around here. they let them get away with it because if they started telling companies they cant have people any more then they would run out of places to send people.

Same around here. Infact my old provider advertised this on their intructory letters to companies:

How can a MWRA benefit my organisation?

A MWRA can benefit all organisations by:

• Providing a FREE pair of hands to assist with day to day activities
• A chance to help the local community
• A "try before you before you buy" option, to allow customers to prove their worth
• An option for a rolling placement for busy or peak periods

popadom

why do you still have to go on courses if you have a job?

CurtSeavers

donnajunkie wrote: »

fine but get people paid employment then instead of giving them away for a company to use as free labour.

Exactly. This is my point!

If there are JOBS available- and since these "work expereicne" things seem to suggest they are, then why are these not available as "jobs"?

Simple. Work the unemployed for several weeks, and get rid, then recruit the next lot.

This whole thing is a scam and I cant beleive it's just being swept under the carpet.

There was some £50 Billion fight over who would own several options on these "employment agencies" recenrtly. Now, you are telling me there isnt money to be made from all this unemployment?

Looking further into it, it all gets rather shady.

donnajunkie

CurtSeavers wrote: »

Exactly. This is my point!

If there are JOBS available- and since these "work expereicne" things seem to suggest they are, then why are these not available as "jobs"?

Simple. Work the unemployed for several weeks, and get rid, then recruit the next lot.

This whole thing is a scam and I cant beleive it's just being swept under the carpet.

There was some £50 Billion fight over who would own several options on these "employment agencies" recenrtly. Now, you are telling me there isnt money to be made from all this unemployment?

Looking further into it, it all gets rather shady.

while the general public continue to be a bit thick when it comes to things like this then they will always exist.

red_devil

donnajunkie wrote: »

if it is a requirement that you do a placement and you refuse it then you will be refered for a sanction. they will often let you say no to a particular placement but you will have to do one somewhere else. of course you could get a right so'n'so who will refer you for a sanction just for not wanting to do a particular placement.

what if you refuse to do the placement full stop? Any placement?