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Refuse Work Placement on Flexible New Deal
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Instead of pointless schemes and useless paperwork how about spending the money on trying to create decent jobs.
This is the thing. I wouldnt mind if these Work Placements were for working in the community, rebuilding, repainting, etc. of damaged structures.
To be asked/demanded to work in a place like B&Q is nothing short of disgusting. They're rich enough, they dont need FREE help. Funnily enough, [EMAIL="B@Q"]B@Q[/EMAIL] dont advertize a vacant job either.
Wow, to think they could get by on free labour...the whole thing is a scam.0 -
CurtSeavers wrote: »This is the thing. I wouldnt mind if these Work Placements were for working in the community, rebuilding, repainting, etc. of damaged structures.
To be asked/demanded to work in a place like B&Q is nothing short of disgusting. They're rich enough, they dont need FREE help. Funnily enough, B@Q dont advertize a vacant job either.
Wow, to think they could get by on free labour...the whole thing is a scam.
It's not a scam, and some people are taken on by the employer after their work placements, some even before it comes to an end. Obviously not everybody of course, and nothing is perfect.
As you mention B&Q, they do employ people following their work placements, and for your information B & Q currently have 408 advertised jobs. I'm not allowed to post the link for you, but the search took less than 1 minute on the internet to find them. A simple Google search under B & Q jobs. Usually the direct approach to finding employers and jobs works.
Part of a work placement is that the Provider helps people with job search techniques and identifies how to look for jobs, interview skills, etc.
Some people claiming JSA long-term have significant barriers to employment such as never having had a job before, no references, criminal record, health condition, drug / alcohol issues, etc., which many employers would view in a negative way and not even give them a chance. Work placements demonstrate to employers that the individual actually does have something positive to offer. You need to view it from the employers' perspective and get into their mindset.
Many jobs in a wide range of companies are never advertised. The stats are something like 60%, so taking a speculative approach to job search is always a good idea. Using the internet means a spec approach to numerous companies will cost you nothing as you are paying for the internet already. If you do not have internet access then you can use the library internet facilities free of charge or access Job Centre provided Work / Job Clubs, or other Job Centre provision to help with job search, all FREE.
Again, I would ask, is it better to have 12 - 18 months (or more) of continuous unemployment on a cv / application form, or a recent job, albeit voluntary, a recent reference and updated skills? I speak to employers daily and I can assure you it's not the former.
Regarding the work placements to help the community, etc, these are already available to anybody without even being on JSA. You can get involved in this kind of thing through volunteering. You will have a local volunteer bureau which can point you in the right direction, or websites like do-it.org. This will also look good on your cv and application form. As always though, check with the Job Centre BEFORE you start anything like this.
Another thing to make use of are the Job Centre Work Trials. Speak to the Job Centre first, but a Work Trial can be a very short period with an employer who has a vacancy to see if you are suitable for the position. All benefits are retained during the Work Trial and if it does not suit then you are free to stop the Trial WITHOUT any sanction being imposed, whatever the reason. Most Trials are short in length and successful, and people move into work. Travel expenses during the Work Trial can be paid (using the cheapest form of transport).
Every day I deal with people (a minority) who don't bother starting placements -they don't even have the courtesy to let the Job Centre, Provider or employer know. These people do not turn up for Job Centre appointments to help with job search, they do not go to cv work shops to help prepare a good cv (they don't have a cv so can't apply for jobs), they do not go to any FREE Job Centre provision to help with job search, they do not apply for SUITABLE jobs which are shown to them by Job Centre staff. These people then complain the Job Centre does nothing to help them, they can't afford to buy papers, etc., and wonder why their benefits are sanctioned. Like most things in life, you get out what you put in.
And before anybody slates me, yes, I have done the Job Centre schemes, placements, volunteering myself when I was out of work (long-term), so I am talking from experience - from both sides of the desk!
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why not become a student nurse,work 280 long hours on placement in a month for £548!0
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It's not a scam
Yes it is.some people are taken on by the employer after their work placements,
Some people are sacked by their employer so that the employer can replace them with unpaid indentured labour supplied by the likes of you.Part of a work placement is that the Provider helps people with job search techniques and identifies how to look for jobs, interview skills, etc.
Whilst doing nothing to actually get them jobs.
And before anybody slates me, yes, I have done the Job Centre schemes, placements, volunteering myself when I was out of work (long-term), so I am talking from experience - from both sides of the desk!
So, not having been able to get a proper job you decided to become one of the parasites 'working' for these bogus 'training' companies that cost the taxpayer a fortune and achieve nothing. Shame on you. Now you come here to talk up the usefulness of these exploiters. Utterly contemptible.0 -
Even the thought of work gets a lot of people angry it seems!0
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Yes it is.
Some people are sacked by their employer so that the employer can replace them with unpaid indentured labour supplied by the likes of you.
Whilst doing nothing to actually get them jobs.
So, not having been able to get a proper job you decided to become one of the parasites 'working' for these bogus 'training' companies that cost the taxpayer a fortune and achieve nothing. Shame on you. Now you come here to talk up the usefulness of these exploiters. Utterly contemptible.
Your opinions, and of course you are entitled to them. Ill-informed though they are.
Untrue that people are sacked to make way for work placements. That would be illegal now wouldn't it. Hope you've reported it to ACAS.
Re-read the post - the bit which says people go into work from placements is a clue. Re-read the bit at the end which explains how some people (a minority) actuallty refuse the help which is offered.
I do have a 'proper' job as you put it, working on average 50 hours per week helping people find jobs, and no, I do not work for a training company.
Clearly exprog you like stirring things up, have no knowledge on the subject (unless you have fallen foul of the Job Centre for not doing something which I suspect is more likely to be the case), and have nothing positive to contribute towards this. Or maybe you do? If so, how would you suggest we 'parasites' help people into work? What are your ideas? I look forward to your positive solutions which may actually be used to help somebody back into work. I suspect however the most you can muster is some more psuedo politcal ranting. :eek:
BTW, I've never been called utterly contemptible before, so thank you for that; it's another one to add to the list. Normally people thank me for helping them back into work though. 0 -
Thank you for your intellectual contribution Arg, most enlightening.
I registered with the board last night, made a couple of posts and immediately get some ignorant, abusive comment. You must be quite pleased I'm sure.
It's funny you say that when your comments can be taken the same way.
ps, Labelling workfare or any other nuisance course as help has already been done numerous times on this forum.0 -
What a load of cobblers!:rotfl:It's not a scam, and some people are taken on by the employer after their work placements, some even before it comes to an end. Obviously not everybody of course, and nothing is perfect.
As you mention B&Q, they do employ people following their work placements, and for your information B & Q currently have 408 advertised jobs. I'm not allowed to post the link for you, but the search took less than 1 minute on the internet to find them. A simple Google search under B & Q jobs. Usually the direct approach to finding employers and jobs works.
Part of a work placement is that the Provider helps people with job search techniques and identifies how to look for jobs, interview skills, etc.
Some people claiming JSA long-term have significant barriers to employment such as never having had a job before, no references, criminal record, health condition, drug / alcohol issues, etc., which many employers would view in a negative way and not even give them a chance. Work placements demonstrate to employers that the individual actually does have something positive to offer. You need to view it from the employers' perspective and get into their mindset.
Many jobs in a wide range of companies are never advertised. The stats are something like 60%, so taking a speculative approach to job search is always a good idea. Using the internet means a spec approach to numerous companies will cost you nothing as you are paying for the internet already. If you do not have internet access then you can use the library internet facilities free of charge or access Job Centre provided Work / Job Clubs, or other Job Centre provision to help with job search, all FREE.
Again, I would ask, is it better to have 12 - 18 months (or more) of continuous unemployment on a cv / application form, or a recent job, albeit voluntary, a recent reference and updated skills? I speak to employers daily and I can assure you it's not the former.
Regarding the work placements to help the community, etc, these are already available to anybody without even being on JSA. You can get involved in this kind of thing through volunteering. You will have a local volunteer bureau which can point you in the right direction, or websites like do-it.org. This will also look good on your cv and application form. As always though, check with the Job Centre BEFORE you start anything like this.
Another thing to make use of are the Job Centre Work Trials. Speak to the Job Centre first, but a Work Trial can be a very short period with an employer who has a vacancy to see if you are suitable for the position. All benefits are retained during the Work Trial and if it does not suit then you are free to stop the Trial WITHOUT any sanction being imposed, whatever the reason. Most Trials are short in length and successful, and people move into work. Travel expenses during the Work Trial can be paid (using the cheapest form of transport).
Every day I deal with people (a minority) who don't bother starting placements -they don't even have the courtesy to let the Job Centre, Provider or employer know. These people do not turn up for Job Centre appointments to help with job search, they do not go to cv work shops to help prepare a good cv (they don't have a cv so can't apply for jobs), they do not go to any FREE Job Centre provision to help with job search, they do not apply for SUITABLE jobs which are shown to them by Job Centre staff. These people then complain the Job Centre does nothing to help them, they can't afford to buy papers, etc., and wonder why their benefits are sanctioned. Like most things in life, you get out what you put in.
And before anybody slates me, yes, I have done the Job Centre schemes, placements, volunteering myself when I was out of work (long-term), so I am talking from experience - from both sides of the desk!0 -
GotNoMoney wrote: »Is it really fair to sanction people who don't apply for jobs?
The Job Centre and all these companies they rig it with like Serco etc... are supposed to be finding us jobs, can you believe that? They ask me for a "job diary" when it is THEM that is supposed to be providing a service to ME. Otherwise, why does the job centre even exist? I mean you could just sign on via the post or something.
The Jobcentre DOES provide you a service. They are there to help YOU find a job, not to do all the work for you! I'm sure some people think the Jobcentre is just a place to get a handout, when its nothing of the sort.
I have real sympathy for those who really try to get a job and will take anything that comes along (and take advantage of all the services a Jobcentre can offer) but have none at all for those who think they dont have to lift a finger to provide for themselves or their families.
And looking in the paper for 10 mins a week and a quick glance at the job points in the Jobcentre is not looking for work! You would be amazed how many people fail to attend their 15 mins signing on as they were "busy"!0 -
there can often be some work in the community type placements available.CurtSeavers wrote: »This is the thing. I wouldnt mind if these Work Placements were for working in the community, rebuilding, repainting, etc. of damaged structures.
To be asked/demanded to work in a place like B&Q is nothing short of disgusting. They're rich enough, they dont need FREE help. Funnily enough, B@Q dont advertize a vacant job either.
Wow, to think they could get by on free labour...the whole thing is a scam.0
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