Refuse Work Placement on Flexible New Deal

donnajunkie

i_want_to_believe wrote: »

Not sure what Workfare is.....

i have only heard small bits. it is expected to start this year and it is were long term unemployed work for their dole. i also heard it is only for 4 weeks but i wouldnt be surprised if they made it longer.

Jowo_2

i_want_to_believe wrote: »

Not sure what Workfare is.....

I think its just the general term to cover where unemployed people undertake work placements as a condition of receiving benefits. There are multiple terms in use - 'work for the dole', etc.

It perhaps has US origins - I wonder if its a combination of work and welfare? Just speculating though.

dark_lady

So Cassie B57 If an unemployed person doing a work placement is not an employee and has no rights regarding NMW etc, then what about Employers Liability Insurance. If they are not classed as an employee and are only on placement then what are their rights should they have an accident. Are they covered by the employers insurance if they are not an employee?. Just wondering as according to your previous posts people who find themselves in this position have no rights at all.

cassieB57

dark_lady wrote: »

So Cassie B57 If an unemployed person doing a work placement is not an employee and has no rights regarding NMW etc, then what about Employers Liability Insurance. If they are not classed as an employee and are only on placement then what are their rights should they have an accident. Are they covered by the employers insurance if they are not an employee?. Just wondering as according to your previous posts people who find themselves in this position have no rights at all.

I found this extract from the HSE Booklet "Employer's Liability (Compulsory Insurance) Act 1969":


In some cases you will not need additional employers’ liability insurance for volunteers or for:
■
students who work for you unpaid;
■
people who are not employed, but taking part in a youth or adult training programme; or
■
a school student on a work experience programme.*
Insurers will usually cover the above under an existing employers’ liability policy, and there is generally no need to inform your insurer if you take on any of the above. However, you should talk to your insurer if you take on the above either for long periods, or if they are doing work that is not your company’s usual business, and you should bear in mind the level of risk they may be exposed to during the time they are working for you. It may be necessary for you to carry out a separate risk assessment (eg for young workers) or take special measures for those listed above.


I hope that answered your question.

dodger1

HappyMJ wrote: »

Jobseekers allowance (65.45) plus housing benefit (91.00) plus council tax benefit (16.55) = £173.00 Earnings required to get that after tax and NI deductions would be £197.10 divide that by 30 and I work it out as £6.57 per hour...not bad and the bus fares are paid for too.

And don't forget they've been getting all this for the past 12 months without having to lift a finger.

dealer_wins

All these amazing excuses for not getting of your aris!!

This thread shows just how badly we need a serious re-think on benefits as they seem to have a major side effect of sticky mattress syndrome.

exprog

dealer_wins wrote: »

we need a serious re-think on benefits

Yes indeed.

We need to have a system whereby the unemployed are guaranteed a job offer as happens in some European countries (- unlike the increasingly vile United States, populated as it seems to be by primitive homicidal lunatics).

The sort of thing the LibDems supported before the election before they decided to betray their voters and join the Tory nutters.

Of course, such a system would lead to a shortage of victims to be slagged off by the sad inadequates who come here to make themselves feel better about their worthless lives by insulting the unfortunate.

donnajunkie

cassieB57 wrote: »

I found this extract from the HSE Booklet "Employer's Liability (Compulsory Insurance) Act 1969":


In some cases you will not need additional employers’ liability insurance for volunteers or for:
■
students who work for you unpaid;
■
people who are not employed, but taking part in a youth or adult training programme; or
■
a school student on a work experience programme.*
Insurers will usually cover the above under an existing employers’ liability policy, and there is generally no need to inform your insurer if you take on any of the above. However, you should talk to your insurer if you take on the above either for long periods, or if they are doing work that is not your company’s usual business, and you should bear in mind the level of risk they may be exposed to during the time they are working for you. It may be necessary for you to carry out a separate risk assessment (eg for young workers) or take special measures for those listed above.


I hope that answered your question.

what if someone has a condition that makes them higher risk? i have known of people getting sent on placement who are a higher risk. the provider knows the risks but the employer doesnt unless the claimant tells them.

morganedge

They encourage you to find the work placement yourself.
Now, theoretically, couldn't you just make up a pretend work placement?
Especially if, say, you know someone who runs a business who would 'vouch' for you and tell the jobcentre , everything that they want to hear? Tell them that they are giving the candidate a trial and confirm they have been coming in each day, even if they haven't! Would that work?

donnajunkie

morganedge wrote: »

They encourage you to find the work placement yourself.
Now, theoretically, couldn't you just make up a pretend work placement?
Especially if, say, you know someone who runs a business who would 'vouch' for you and tell the jobcentre , everything that they want to hear? Tell them that they are giving the candidate a trial and confirm they have been coming in each day, even if they haven't! Would that work?

that does happen sometimes. however you do put yourself at risk by doing it because they could turn up at anytime to check up on you. although they rarely do check up.