Refuse Work Placement on Flexible New Deal

Arg

Jowo wrote: »

I know that people can bend the figures round to suit themselves - some JSA claimants that are outraged about compulsory workplacements for no or little extra benefits which they calculate are less than NMW often forget to factor in their council tax, child tax credits and LHA.

They therefore forget hundreds of pounds of other income each month, plus that they have been paid this for many months, or even years, and only have a few weeks of compulsory placements in that period.

You could say the same thing about people working.
Should we drop everyones wages on the basis that their earlier wage might have been higher so it's ok to pay under the minimum wage as it averages out?

Arg

cassieB57 wrote: »

In what way- how is he under threat of violence for refusing to work?

There were more definitions than violence in both your post and that link you posted.

"Although the right is absolute, not all forced labour will be considered to fall within Article 4, and paragraph (3) of the Article sets out a number of matters which will NOT be considered ‘forced or compulsory labour’. So military service, or community service as part of a sentence lawfully imposed by the Court will not be considered to fall within Article 4. Attempts have been made to argue that a requirement to do voluntary work as part of your professional training, a requirement to do work based training as a condition of entitlement to unemployment benefits, or a requirement to do jury service breached Article 4. The European Court of Human Rights rejected all such arguments."

What attempts have been made and why were they rejected?

And NMW legislation applies to 'employees' not 'workers' (for example it does not include self employed)

The law says workers.

Mr_Falling_Star

You can chill out, if you started FND after 15/08/2010 then you don't need to do a work placement. Now you can concentrate on looking for work

cassieB57

Arg wrote: »

There were more definitions than violence in both your post and that link you posted.

What attempts have been made and why were they rejected?




The law says workers.

Agreed it refers to employees who are workers for the purposes of NMW, (thereby excluding the self-employed); but the point I was trying to make is that a work placement is not defined as employment therefore is not covered by NMW legislation.

And that the human rights legislation did not apply to these placements either.

That's all.

donnajunkie

Nickdolman wrote: »

Hi im a 41 yr old guy with a wife and child and im just about to start on the FND on Friday after being out of work for the last 12mnths

I havent got a problem working i want to work but i have a problem for working for £1.60 a hour why not pay me the minimum wage? For a company that have no intentions of giving u a job after there free labour

What will happen if i refuse to do the Work Placement

Isnt it against the law to force someone to work for less than the minimal wage?

Thxs

Ps please dont slate me because im unemployed

i suspect someone will have already siad this but i will say it anyway. if you refuse the work placement you will be sanctioned. just do it. you may find that the placement you get isnt so bad. you may end up just doing work training somewhere. the fnd provider near here sends loads of people to a training centre every 4 weeks.
i dont know were the law stands regarding it paying less than minimum wage. no organisations seem to give a to*s about it. until one does and kicks off people will just have to keep putting up with it. like i said though you may find its not so bad. ask loads of questions to find out what is available.

donnajunkie

just noticed how old the thread is.

i_want_to_believe

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

You can chill out, if you started FND after 15/08/2010 then you don't need to do a work placement. Now you can concentrate on looking for work

That's interesting, where did that come from and do you have a source I could quote?

Many thanks

starchild1972

I get well below minimum wage. It's called self-employment!

donnajunkie

i_want_to_believe wrote: »

That's interesting, where did that come from and do you have a source I could quote?

Many thanks

people who get to the end of it will probably be sent straight onto workfare though. considering how jcp are treating people now, workfare is becoming more and more appealing.

i_want_to_believe

donnajunkie wrote: »

people who get to the end of it will probably be sent straight onto workfare though. considering how jcp are treating people now, workfare is becoming more and more appealing.

Not sure what Workfare is.....