Cost v's number of children

Jay-Jay_4

Look, maybe we should all just stay at home and have babies? Every woman has to have at least two and she's not to work no matter what alright? If her partner/husband can't get a job that's alright too.... ok?





Wigginsmum, I don't know how we'll do it but somehow we have to reverse your hysterectomy, you have to do your bit you know!!!!



Any bets on how long it will take before the welfare state crumbles?

wigginsmum

You're not doing that, Jay-Jay - I've had too many things shoved up me during my life for you to start now!

We should conjure up the shade of Hitler to ask his advice - he paid women to be brood mares for the good of the Third Reich. Of course that lasted 12 years ... I guess none of the little resulting sprogs even reached puberty before it all went belly-up.

Broken_hearted

If I have another 2 kids the CB will cover the mortgage and the council tax. Not a very good reason to have kids.

tawnyowls

wigginsmum wrote:

We should conjure up the shade of Hitler to ask his advice - he paid women to be brood mares for the good of the Third Reich. Of course that lasted 12 years ... I guess none of the little resulting sprogs even reached puberty before it all went belly-up.

Yes, it's all a bit too "Handmaid's Tale" for me - I clearly remember that scene where that awful wardress woman was declaiming that "some women who could have children chose not to have them. They were LAZY women!". As if women are of worth only as breeding animals. And like some of the other posters, I am still trying to work out how it can be more selfish to decide not to have kids than to breed indiscriminately with no thought for how to support them.

To the OP, fine, you want loads of kids. Great. Your choice, however, is not that of your sister, nor, by the looks of things, that of many of the women on this board. Most people appear to come onto this site to work out how to make their money go further, so that they will stretch their hard-earned money to pay for the things they want, rather than relying on handouts. Like most of them, I too get really quite narked when I read about yet another person who appears to think that the State owes them a living and should pay out for any choices they want to make. I would probably be somewhat less narked if I honestly believed your kids will end up becoming the taxpayers of the futurew, but I strongly suspect that they too will end up taking more than they give back. It is to your husband's credit that he at least does have a job - perhaps you should work out how you can have kids on his salary?

helpafriend

tawnyowls wrote:

I too get really quite narked when I read about yet another person who appears to think that the State owes them a living and should pay out for any choices they want to make.

As I stated before tax credits are paid to couples earning under £55k. Does this mean that any couple earning under this should not have kids?

Bargain_Rzl

helpafriend wrote:

As I stated before tax credits are paid to couples earning under £55k. Does this mean that any couple earning under this should not have kids?

No. It means that any couple earning under this who couldn't manage WITHOUT the tax credits (and I'm sure there are people on that sort of salary with huge mortgages and debts who might - in their present circumstances - find themselves stretched without the tax credits) shouldn't plan to have more children than they've already got unless they are able to provide for them. As somebody has already said on this thread, tax credits haven't been around long, and the next government may abolish them. What then? The family who budgeted primarily with their basic income would need to tighten their belts but would be fine. The family who factored an ongoing entitlement to tax credits into their income would be - well - up sh*t creek.

dlb

Not at all, what i think people are trying to say is that you shouldnt have kids just to get more tax credits benifits ect.

I am intitled to these credits and i am grateful for them, but as stated before my husband works but he isnt on a fantastic wage like he used to be before being made redundant, and there are people out there will kids who are not frauding the system, they just find themselfs in a different situation to what they were in when they had there kids.

These people who have paid tax and ni in the past i feel do deserve a bit of help when it is needed.

But i do agree that people who have never worked or who just have kids to get a xtra £££ a week are completly wrong.

Bargain_Rzl

Hi dlb - was that "not at all" addressed to me or to the OP?

black-saturn

As far as i can see no one in this thread said they were having children just to get more money.

And dlb did you have children before or after the tax credit system was introduced?

teb_2

black-saturn wrote:

As far as i can see no one in this thread said they were having children just to get more money.

I agree with you. However the OP did see tax credits as a given, and seemed to think that a new child would automatically be partly financed by a tax credit increase.