Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

MillicentBystander

Like I said earlier when Cardew came up with his '£900 cheaper' claim, even if he was on Eon's current cheapest (and pre-increase) saveonline 9 tariff his consumption would have to be in the region of 70,000 gas and 10,000 electric to make his figures stand up. The fact that his consumption, according to him, is considerably less than this (but still crazily high) tends to suggest either he:

1. Cocked up his '£900 cheaper' claim but knew that people would already have seen it so to alter it would have meant a loss of 'face', he then panicked hence the starting of the mysterious and curious 'Hidden tariffs' thread just 47 mins after the '£900 cheaper' claim (we already know his old Eon tariff ended at the end of July so why the delay in bragging about his secret, hidden tariff?) his earlier or:

2. Someone at Eon has placed his own job on the line for someone he doesn't know personally and placed Cardew on an old, no longer available tariff that Eon must be making a loss on. Cardew then starts his own thread on this alleged happening but refuses to name the mysterious tariff for fear of being 'caught out'...

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you, which scenario is the most plausible?

HalloweenJack

until EDF finally put up the price of OS7 then the unit costs were comparable to what cardrew is paying - so it is feasable for there to be a tarrif which has slipped under the radar - ofc its likely to be found sooner rather than later

bendtoy_2

I thought Keggs was conspicious by his absence.To busy trying to recruit for his new opportunity.:D

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=214578

MillicentBystander

HalloweenJack wrote: »

until EDF finally put up the price of OS7 then the unit costs were comparable to what cardrew is paying - so it is feasable for there to be a tarrif which has slipped under the radar - ofc its likely to be found sooner rather than later

It's Cardew; we will probably never get to know the truth. But if I was a betting man...:p

Cardew

MillicentBystander wrote: »

It's Cardew; we will probably never get to know the truth. But if I was a betting man...:p

Tut Tut - altered your post 'inspector'

He commented on me thanking HalloweenJack for mentioning EDF which I apparently did to put him of the scent - as I am almost certainly with E-On.

I apparently couldn't be on EDF OS7 because that wouldn't account for such a price differential.

So Inspector are you a betting man! If so would you care to have a wager?

I am stating unequivocally that my present tariff is OVER £900 cheaper than it would be with UW.

You have spent the last few posts implying that I am lying - without having the courage to actually accuse me of lying.

So do you accept I am telling the truth about my tariff being £900 pa cheaper than UW or not?

Obviously when my present company notifies me of the inevitable increase in the tariff, I will have 30 days notice of the price increase and I will be able to publish chapter and verse details of the tariff.

So why not put up - or shut up? - Am I telling the truth or not?

For once please don't adopt your usual tactic, that you use with all the names you use to post in favour of UW, of obfuscating and avoiding a direct answer.

I suspect you will avoid answering!

Cardew

uptomyeyeballs wrote: »

If the tariff you are allegedly on isn't listed anywhere, how are you going to prove what you say is true when it is withdrawn, as the withdrawal will never be announced?

Far too much supposition in your post!

When the time comes, I will provide absolute proof - clear and unequivocal proof.

Want to join in on the wager?

Am I telling the truth or not?

HalloweenJack

short of actually wanting to spend an hour or so searching the net - i have a `niggling` of an idea of what tarrif ; but pointless speculation - im very sure the information is available if google skills were up to it , and you could have the `i cba to do this` - personally i cant be a55ed.

there will be tarrifs that have been skipped or missed , old ones that arnt available anymore - eg, EDF`s eco 20:20 , not on comparison sites , yet someone will still be on it..... (just an example , not what cardrew is on imo.... not the what im thinking anyway)

MillicentBystander

Cardew wrote: »

Far too much supposition in your post!

When the time comes, I will provide absolute proof - clear and unequivocal proof.

Want to join in on the wager?

Am I telling the truth or not?

As I deal in absolute facts, and you are providing NONE, it's hard not to come to the negative conclusion here. And stop trying to get me banned, I want to see this one through and I suspect you don't. About as subtle as an air raid.

Without revealing who you are and where you live and giving us scans of your online bill with full name and address details, how exactly are you going to do this unequivocally? Whatever, I look forward to the day you prove any of your claims on here. Any idea roughly when I should clear my diary? I do fear you are backing yourself into a very tight corner when a simple edit would have sufficed but oh well...

PS Come to think of it you would I suspect need to get an official paper copy of the bill from Eon and post it to me. MS Publisher is so easy to use these days.

Transformer

I would think proof simple. Provide usage in units etc....plan on and then total with any discounts for dual or percentages etc...that could be easily confirmed with little research. Plan can be confimed, units well any number can be considered accurate as any number can be compared to get a fair sample total accurate units or not.

Then see if UW can beat the price.

I also say put up or shut up UW

I was another told UW were cheaper than the big six, you tend to remember the change in mood and abuse once you ask for proof as my own research showed them as not possible at that time as cheaper than the big six. My Uw poss membership was to include reference to energy alone and no sundries were metioned or wanted in them happy to email me and quote they were cheaper in line with their reps contact to me or future potential savings, it really is not worth it I personally now feel.

They were not cheaper, could not live up to the claim and then tried to argue how if I took this or that they could possbly save me some money that way. I suggested the rep dropped the claim of cheaper that big six unless as upfront that 'possibly' should appear in the same claim and the mention of sundries as said I found it both confusing and misleading. What I got was a tirade of expletives and ridiculing me for not already knowing how they worked and that I should also have known as a customer prices also depended on area of dwelling. Why not mention that in their claim at the time as surly warns them to be careful of what they claim to trusting enquirers.

Thats why I say uw will say all they want to get you hooked, they reminded me of time share salesman desperate to get you in the hall on a holiday with a little hope of a pressy or free brekky so find oh god when you got there it was not what you thought.

Readers can make up their own mind, though I also suspect any positive posts are mainly made (in my opinion of course from reading forums) by alternative ids or genuine uw happy customers who so happen to also be distributors. I have not been wrong one time so far that what appears an agressor protecting the uw name in their constant positive speil to an op with genuine issue to them, turns out to be a distributor !!!!!!! Have to say I have never come across such a protective community of their agents for a company which I put down to them having an interest and dislike of such threads, they have to be commended for that and their loyalty, but hey if that effort was past to those up top to get responce to a thread and positive or at least resolution posted, it would sure look better that they cared once they had your signature and took responsiblity for what their reps said.

UW were not even interested that their rep had abused me and did not even reply that says it all.

They cant help letting themselves away when a poster dares to say they are unhappy with uw, starting with to be fair how happy they are, then if gets a reply that the service was not good in their case due to responder saying cant have happened or been that bad in their experience, still fair enough response in my view, then the clanger when they feel the need to keep replying to the thread by an op still needing help that they state that not only are they happy but the customers signed up by them as a distributor. It can also at times get very childish with insults I have noticed and the distributors id dissapeers (think they realise they have slipped up or embaresed themselves) and never posts again for yet a new name to carry on in the same manner.

But be all and end all these posts never seem to help the op of the thread and you never see a resolved issue, even down to the threads every now and again appear booted up by others seeking help asking did you get resolution to find some reply no.

Only a little research can read just what I did and others do.

I have the view that of course some must be happy or uw would not exist, but what counts to an individual is their own case or problem, no that goodness knows how many distributors are happy and have not experienced any problems. Bit like salt into a wound don't you think?

I have to be honest as far as feedback is concerned and help when needed I put price as a lower priority than that even though i need to save money. I would not now go with uw even if they were the top cheapest of the big six just down to my experience, as I notice phone calls and stress costs me more than a few pounds.

Cardew

MillicentBystander wrote: »

As I deal in absolute facts, and you are providing NONE, it's hard not to come to the negative conclusion here. And stop trying to get me banned, I want to see this one through and I suspect you don't. About as subtle as an air raid.

Without revealing who you are and where you live and giving us scans of your online bill with full name and address details, how exactly are you going to do this unequivocally? Whatever, I look forward to the day you prove any of your claims on here. Any idea roughly when I should clear my diary? I do fear you are backing yourself into a very tight corner when a simple edit would have sufficed but oh well...

PS Come to think of it you would I suspect need to get an official paper copy of the bill from Eon and post it to me. MS Publisher is so easy to use these days.

I just knew you would obfuscate - it's your style.

Lying or not - that was the question, which you just can't bring yourself to answer.

Do you seriously think I would make such a claim without knowing I would be able to back it up with proof when they increase the tariff giving me the 30 days notice?