****Fantastic Friday 14th Daily Chat - feel the weekend approaching :) ***

Burlesque_Babe

Took 90 minutes of running round a completely alien place making phone calls and the help of a,fab Spanish receptionist in a hotel nearby but got in eventually! Apartment is lovely,uploaded some pics of the view on fb. OH was a bit of an !!!! the other night, well, a lot of one to be honest. He is mostly reading , from the.minute he gets up until he goes to bed when we are inside and so conversation is fairly limited.

Anyone in the area next Wednesday, just passing by, as you do, in me for a birthday drink in the sun

elfen

BB, at least it's sorted (I'm now reminded of Red Dwarf when Cat calls Kochanski Officer BB - may need to refer to you as that from now on)

Buffythedebtslayer

Burlesque_Babe wrote: »

Took 90 minutes of running round a completely alien place making phone calls and the help of a,fab Spanish receptionist in a hotel nearby but got in eventually! Apartment is lovely,uploaded some pics of the view on fb. OH was a bit of an !!!! the other night, well, a lot of one to be honest. He is mostly reading , from the.minute he gets up until he goes to bed when we are inside and so conversation is fairly limited.

Anyone in the area next Wednesday, just passing by, as you do, in me for a birthday drink in the sun

Glad you got it sorted in the end, shame about OH but if he wants to be a miserable sod then so be it, enjoy the change of scenary and keep an eye out for the friendly waiters!

xxxx

ZTD

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

I am entitled to express an opinion when you describe my profession as a group of people who only like those children who "fake hard work" and more vocal - I hardly call that moving a discussion on, surely there our opinions are on the same level?

Of course it moves a discussion on - any contribution which brings something to the table, moves the discussion on. The only exceptions are repeating yourself - as it brings nothing new, and silence - because it brings nothing new.

And yes, your opinions are on the same level as mine, you can look at the evidence provided and come to a different conclusion. Of course if you're also looking at evidence not provided, that's when opinions do start to deviate - namely because they are looking at different things.

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

Another example of you being patronising. As it the "outcomes" are the pupils feed back forms and the conversations I have with pupils and parents.

Now you see with education, I always assumed the outcomes were what was learned and how it was applied, testable (with limitations) via the medium of examinations. Though of course, it does have to be internationally recognised qualifications - national exams are redefined to make them easier alas. You can make people seem taller be redefining the length of an inch - but they're not taller really.

I do find it interesting though, that an outcome of compulsory education is now good marks on a feedback form.

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

Although no doubt this will be dismissed as anecdotal and not as valuable as statistics.

I am one of the few people who likes anecdotal evidence, as with it, you can see problems coming up, unlike statistics which are a purely rearward looking device. Anecdotes does have their problems, and they must be recognised. But so do statistics, and that tends to get a free pass alas. Even (or especially) the abomination that is "extrapolation"...

But equally, for anecdotal evidence to be accepted, it has to be provided. So far you have given opinions, but no anecdotes.

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

Of course not, but I never said that I did, hence the "aim" fluffy, tho you find it I wouldn't be arrogant enough to assume a 100% sucess rate.

What is the measured success rate?

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

Oh I am sorry, did I make an off the cuff remark? Thanks for the correction.

In any case the talented can also be challenged. And no it won't happen every lesson to every child but it happens and often. And you suggested that pupils who were quiet and talented got over looked, that teacher are simply shallow enough to fall for the apparently bright loud child. I disagree.

I find it interesting that you're now speaking for and defending the abilities of over 100,000 complete strangers, holding them to be better than the average population based simply on the job they do.

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

The way a lesson is designed now takes into account the different skills and talents of a class, that is why not just any one can walk in and a teach a lesson. It is a skill to get that sort of learning "out" of children who would rather sit at the back and not be noticed, just as much as it to get the child who can't write to be invovled in a literacy lesson.

I would agree it is a skill. The question is more how often does it happen? The fact that it happens all the time with you isn't really the point, as most of the population of this country does not pass through your class...

Though I also find the phrase to do with getting learning "out" of a child interesting too. I had always seen learning as a inward process. Has the word "learning" become jargon for something else?

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

No you just belittled my job.

Not at all, if I wanted to do that, I'd bring in statistics about declining literacy rates, the slow drop down the international ability tables, the last government's "confession" about exams being made easier, remedial lessons for maths and English provided by universities for undergraduates and many other such things.

At least most school kids can still find the UK on a map, which I always think is the canary in the coal mine as it were.

Buffythedebtslayer wrote: »

Which in my view is just as bad.

You should work in IT. You'd become immune to having your job belittled in maybe the first 10-15 minutes.