Guess who is not voting Lib Dem next election

Spartacus_Mills

StevieJ wrote: »

I notice that 10k in now going to be 'phased in' and that tax on jobs will still be paid by the masses.

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marklv

PaulW1965 wrote: »

Me too. I never dreamed that the Liberals would prop up the Tories. Never again will I vote Liberal - EVER.

Then you're really very, very stupid. :mad:

What else could Clegg have done? Labour wasn't serious about a deal, moreover their MPs opposed it. Should Clegg refuse a chance of government, Lib Dem policies on the agenda and electoral reform, albeit only moderate? The Tories offered him a good deal and he took it - I would have done the same.

Spartacus_Mills

marklv wrote: »

Then you're really very, very stupid. :mad:

What else could Clegg have done? Labour wasn't serious about a deal, moreover their MPs opposed it. Should Clegg refuse a chance of government, Lib Dem policies on the agenda and electoral reform, albeit only moderate? The Tories offered him a good deal and he took it - I would have done the same.

As Evan Harris said yesterday (the same Evan Harris who wrote in The Guardian that same day that a deal with Labour was his preferred choice - the lesser of two evils), Labour turned up, presented their manifesto and simply expected us to support it. They negotiated in bad faith because they, like the Guardianista's and Labour supporters here, expected us to fall into line with them as they did not think we would support the Tories.

Labour also screwed us over in 1997. They kept us on side, promised electoral reform, yet when they won a thumping majority discarded us. As John Prescott said to Paddy Ashdown when he asked about PR and the deal "We have a 160 seat majority, why do we need the f*cking Liberals".

This is not the 1980's and this is a different Tory Party. If it was a Thatcherite Party that wanted support it would never happen.

marklv

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

As Evan Harris said yesterday, Labour turned up, presented their manifesto and simply expected us to support it. They negotiated in bad faith because they, like the Guardianista's and Labour supporters here, expected us to fall into line with them as they did not think we would support the Tories.

Labour also screwed us over in 1997. They kept us on side, promised electoral reform, yet when they won a thumping majority discarded us. As John Prescott said to Paddy Ashdown when he asked about PR and the deal "We have a 160 seat majority, why do we need the f*cking Liberals".

This is not the 1980's and this is a different Tory Party. If it was a Thatcherite Party that wanted support it would never happen.

Agreed. I am pleased Labour got a well deserved kick in the back side.

ninky_2

marklv wrote: »

Then you're really very, very stupid. :mad:

What else could Clegg have done? Labour wasn't serious about a deal, moreover their MPs opposed it. Should Clegg refuse a chance of government, Lib Dem policies on the agenda and electoral reform, albeit only moderate? The Tories offered him a good deal and he took it - I would have done the same.

they could have refused to form a coalition with either party. labour effictively refused a chance at government by refusing to give the lib dems what they wanted - prefering to stay in opposition with integrity intact. personally i think the lib dems have lost a lot of integrity with this move.

Spartacus_Mills

ninky wrote: »

they could have refused to form a coalition with either party. labour effictively refused a chance at government by refusing to give the lib dems what they wanted - prefering to stay in opposition with integrity intact. personally i think the lib dems have lost a lot of integrity with this move.

Actually we come out with far more integrity but it is a leap of faith to expect you to grasp that.

You are simply sore because we have chosen a coalition with the Tories. Labour supporters foolishly forgot the Lib Dems have a right leaning side as well as a left leaning side and are not just the social conscience of Labour.

Get over it.

Kohoutek

Don't make me laugh Ninky. What did the Lib Dems demand that would have comprised Labour's 'integrity'? All the compromises the Tories have had to make have been wholly reasonable - no inheritance tax cut, £10k personal allowance, commitment to a referendum on electoral reform.

I heard the disagreements were about civil liberties (Labour are against them).

Really2

ninky wrote: »

they could have refused to form a coalition with either party.

Would that have been the right thing for stability..................no.

So why would the lib's go against that and also saying pre election they would support the party that won the election in terms of votes.

For once a party has done what they said they would even though it was difficult to do.

marklv

ninky wrote: »

they could have refused to form a coalition with either party. labour effictively refused a chance at government by refusing to give the lib dems what they wanted - prefering to stay in opposition with integrity intact. personally i think the lib dems have lost a lot of integrity with this move.

Are you living on planet earth? Or is it cloud cuckoo land?

I_Wanna_Retire_Someday

tomterm8 wrote: »

Me.
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and me.

I have just seen Cameron & Clegg on the news and I feel totally sick that I voted the pair of them into power. Honestly, I could weep.

Never ever again.