Guess who is not voting Lib Dem next election

kennyboy66_2

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

I am sure you are a lifelong Lib Dem voters. Your sour disposition says otherwise. A true Party supporter would be ECSTATIC we are now in government with cabinet positions and a clear opportunity to influence the future direction of this country as well as restrain the rabid excesses of the Tory right.

The thought that this has not only hacked off Polly Toynbee but also Simon Heffer at the same time is doubly satisfying.

I doubt ecstatic is the right word. They have come up with probably the least worst option. It would have been untenable to keep Brown in power, and equally untenable to have a ragbag coalition with Labour under the new leader and the fringe parties (would have done lasting damage to Labour).

I voted Lib-Dem and the outcome would not have been my choice, however they do seem to have wrung a decent deal out of Cameron. It will be interesting to see how it holds together when the inevitable deep cuts and stiff tax rises come.

As far as the £6bn cuts for this year goes, it is fairly negligible in the scheme of things - a bit like worrying about a blister on your toe when the whole leg needs amputating.

Spartacus_Mills

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

I think it is fair to say that the Liberal Democrats have decisively shed their "all things to all people" image.

It will be interesting to see the consequences if they turn into a centre-right party.

Very perceptive comment Sir Humphrey. It will be interesting to see however it is an inevitable consequence of the action we have taken and would have happened whoever we got into bed with. It would not have happened had we simply formed a loose arrangement.

I think if we turn into a centre-right party then there will be more people than Tomterm turning their back on us, that is over half the membership.

kennyboy66_2

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

Very perceptive comment Sir Humphrey. It will be interesting to see however it is an inevitable consequence of the action we have taken and would have happened whoever we got into bed with. It would not have happened had we simply formed a loose arrangement.

I think if we turn into a centre-right party then there will be more people than Tomterm turning their back on us, that is over half the membership.

It does seem that a fair few of the recent leaders could equally fit in another party. Clegg could be a left of centre Tory, Cameron not that far away from Lib-Dems (at least the SDLP wing). Tony Blair could have risen in any of the parties.

JimmyTheWig

You know when you've been to a party, or out drinking at a club, when you wake up the next morning you slowly put the pieces together of what happened and often hit the thought of "Oh no, what have I _done_?".
Do you think that's how the Lib Dems will be feeling this morning?

It keeps reminding me of the scene from Revenge of the Sith when Anakin sides with Palpatine against Master Windu. He gets that same feeling of "What have I _done_?", knowing that he has chosen evil over good.
It took 23 years for the good to come back to the forefront in Anakin Skywalker. I wonder how long it will take for the same to happen to the Lib Dems?

[While I think it may be fair to equate the Tories to the Sith and the Lib Dems to Vader, I'm not convinced of the analogy between Labour and the Jedi but I like the idea, anyway. Maybe if you view it as Anakin turning against the decrepid Old Republic it might hold more water!]

PaulW1965

tomterm8 wrote: »

Me.
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Me too. I never dreamed that the Liberals would prop up the Tories. Never again will I vote Liberal - EVER.

Spartacus_Mills

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

You know when you've been to a party, or out drinking at a club, when you wake up the next morning you slowly put the pieces together of what happened and often hit the thought of "Oh no, what have I _done_?".
Do you think that's how the Lib Dems will be feeling this morning?

It keeps reminding me of the scene from Revenge of the Sith when Anakin sides with Palpatine against Master Windu. He gets that same feeling of "What have I _done_?", knowing that he has chosen evil over good.
It took 23 years for the good to come back to the forefront in Anakin Skywalker. I wonder how long it will take for the same to happen to the Lib Dems?

[While I think it may be fair to equate the Tories to the Sith and the Lib Dems to Vader, I'm not convinced of the analogy between Labour and the Jedi but I like the idea, anyway. Maybe if you view it as Anakin turning against the decrepid Old Republic it might hold more water!]

I know nothing of Star Wars, I am a Doctor Who man myself (old series, not new)

Propping up Labour for the Lib Dems would have been more akin to the dawning realisation of Colonel Nicholson at the end of Bridge on the River Kwai.

PS, shouldn't you be JimmytheWhig ?

Spartacus_Mills

PaulW1965 wrote: »

Me too. I never dreamed that the Liberals would prop up the Tories. Never again will I vote Liberal - EVER.

Funny, the only people I have seen who call us the Liberals were Labour politicians like Brown and Prescott. We know ourselves as the Liberal Democrats.

Unless, of course, you vote for the old Liberals who are still around at local level in Liverpool.

tomterm8

PaulW1965 wrote: »

Me too. I never dreamed that the Liberals would prop up the Tories. Never again will I vote Liberal - EVER.

They are Liberal Democrats; the party was formed by an alliance of the old Liberal Party, and Social Democratic Party. I'm not personally really from either wing, somewhat to the orange book side where civil rights and europe are concerned, somewhat to the SDP side where social policies are concerned.

drc

tomterm8 wrote: »

Um... you, given you post on them?:D

My point is that I doubt many Lib dem supporters voted yellow to get blue. I think the Lib Dems are finished in British politics.

I'm the exception to the rule in that case. I voted yellow (where I live there was only a choice between Labour or Lib Dem as Tories do not do well here). I voted Lib Dem as the better of two evils but I would have prefered to vote for the Tories. That's the problem with the current voting system - a lot of people have to vote tactically rather than for who they really want.

StevieJ

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

How has he done that ?

I notice that 10k in now going to be 'phased in' and that tax on jobs will still be paid by the masses.