Guess who is not voting Lib Dem next election

Spartacus_Mills

tomterm8 wrote: »

I said what I wanted right at the start. I wanted a supply and confidence agreement.

That is also what I wanted as well at the time. Partly because I thought that was the best deal we could get.

However when I saw how the Tories were moving towards us and the sort of deal and stability for the country we could get I was delighted. We put government about tribal party interest. Cleggy and his team played a blinder.

Spartacus_Mills

chucky wrote: »

more fool you for putting your trust in a politician (from any party btw).

Nick Clegg has not only looked after himself but increased the profile of the Lib Dems and forgetten the people that supported him in the place.

despite that i think he seems the more trustworthy of all 3 of the party leaders.

How has he done that ?

de1amo

cameron displays what a true tory is--a public school boy born with a silver spoon and he will look after his friends in commerce --lib dems have teamed up with the complete opposite to their core beliefs of looking after the people

chucky

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

How has he done that ?

here's one policy... deficit cuts tories want them asap, Lib Dems wanted to delay them in line with what Labour wanted.

it looks like the cuts are going to happen with the Tory plan - i'd say that's letting down the people who didn't agree with this.

there's also immigration and Europe that the two parties will clash over.

there's probably more that will come out over time. i understand there are concessions on both sides of the coalition but you must admit there will have to be people disappointed over this.

lemonjelly

tomterm8 wrote: »

Well, that's where we disagree. I don't think any of the things you are saying there are true. I don't think we are going to have very much influence at all in the running of the country. I don't think we will be able to restrain the Tory right in the long term. I think the inevitable result of all this is likely to be a Tory majority in 4 years time which will undo all the policies we've 'agreed'. And I do think you are going to be very disappointed, because the reality is the Lib Dems have sold out their policies for very little.

I think this point is a lot more key to a significant enough number of voters than most are willing to accept.

I agree strongly that a lot of voters will be swayed on issues the parties disagree about.

I think a significant number of the lib-dem faithful will not be happy about working with those they are ideologically opposed to in too many ways, & feel it could split the lib dems.

!!!!!! Osbourne has been given the chancellors job. That in itself is reason enough to be concerned. On the beebs leader the main thing it states about him is he is camerons mate. He is a joke & a liability.

What was an opportunity for the lib dems has become a massive risk of a liability.

One other thing. The actions the tories will have to take we all know will be unpopular. How excessive they are is going to be massively significant for me. One of the reasons labour held power for 13 years was because the antics of the tories 1981-1997 made them phenomenally unpopular. If they act viciously, without feeling for the populace, & are overt in their pandering to the minority rich, they could sound a death knell for themselves...

Really2

de1amo wrote: »

cameron displays what a true tory is--a public school boy born with a silver spoon

Good quote, what do you know about Nick Clegg.

Is it really a surprise wost of the top politicians attended some of the best schools in the land?

If they were dropouts with no qualifications would that actually think they were better to serve the country?

Class, upbringing you have to forget about when talking about politicians, in general they are all well off and well educated.

tomterm8

Really2 wrote: »

Good quote, what do you know about Nick Clegg.
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Um... well, he used to be in the Tory party, he is a public school boy born with at least a silver-plated spoon in his mouth. Last I heared, Tony Blair wasn't excatly deprived as a child. In any case, it doesn't matter. What matters is what they intend to do when they run the government.

Really2

tomterm8 wrote: »

Um... well, he used to be in the Tory party, he is a public school boy born with at least a silver-plated spoon in his mouth. Last I heared, Tony Blair wasn't excatly deprived as a child. In any case, it doesn't matter. What matters is what they intend to do when they run the government.

I agree and if you read the rest of my post that is kind of what I was saying.

Really2 wrote: »

Is it really a surprise wost of the top politicians attended some of the best schools in the land?

If they were dropouts with no qualifications would that actually think they were better to serve the country?

Class, upbringing you have to forget about when talking about politicians, in general they are all well off and well educated.

tomterm8

Er, I did read what you said, and I was agreeing with you.

de1amo

Yes but as they grow they make life choices and tories are a breed apart and will always look after the capitalist system and maintenence of wealth--if we had that sort of wealth we would not be on a site like this!!--the Lib dems have put in power a party that no other political party pre election would have anything to do with--Nick Clegg has sold out to grab his little bit of power--i hope after the tories push through their plans the lib-dems just disappear along with their leader--they have made their bed!--jeremy thorpe back in the 70s understood that joining the coalition would see the end of the liberal party but clegg seems to have been too grabbing to think long term