Kleeneeze or Betterware?

SkintButHappy

The_Analyst wrote: »

That's changed from a few years ago then. I think it used to be to simply put in an order of any size every three months.

Actually, i think it is 150 every 3 months now you mention it.

The_Analyst wrote: »

I tend to agree to an extent, although if you retailed your nuts off for several months then quit to concentrate only on team-building you'd still be legitimately able to say "I worked my way to here by retailing, now it's your turn". In any conventional sales organisation a sales manager has been promoted from being a salesman himself but rarely continues to go out selling once he has a team to manage. My point was there are enough bonuses for the Gold upline that they could, in theory, do quite well by having a wide front line of retailers and do no retail themselves. They may be having to spin plates, as it were, as retailers dropped out, but in time they could do it.

I suppose its possible, but its not the way I would go personally

The_Analyst wrote: »

Yours might not be in your particular case but it would be easy for a less caring sponsor to put his retailers in each other's way and if your upline is local and a big business builder then what they earn off your team is helping them sponsor other local competition - it's an inevitability of having big local retail.

To be honest my upline travels alot farther to me to sponsor so we dont cross paths too much. Plus I also think that is a really negative way to put it! We dont sponsor in the same area so, I dont see this happening from my situation anyway.

The_Analyst wrote: »

Anyone who is happy to earn £21 per £100 of sales before costs when their sponsor can potentially earn £16 pounds from that same retailer's £100 of activity without those costs is obviously very welcome in anyone's team! More power to you if you can hang on to people like that. I'd feel like a bit of a fraud myself whether I was retaling or not, but I'm sure I'd manage to bite my lip somehow, especially if those retailers were not interested in sponsoring. I just think it's a warped pay structure that pays that much to the immediate upline in the first place. Not your fault, though.

I think it depends on the level of support you give/get. If someone just gave me my books and said "off you go!" I wouldnt want them to have anything. No ones *taking* money away from anyone, we all earn the same from our retail, but those who spend alot of time coaching and helping our team do it a) because they care and b) because the company rewards for doing so. I dont feel like a fraud because I help people what they set out to achieve, I dont mind that my sponsor gets x amount from Kleeneze for helping me get what I want cos without her I'd be one of the many that dont get enough support from their upline and dwindle out frustrated and disappointed.

wongawonga

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

What do you think of this advert???

Regards
John

Breaches OFT etc etc rules.:eek: but HJ it,s a link to a Kleeneze Distributor recruiting page and will probaly be removed.

PatrickD

wongawonga wrote: »

Breaches OFT etc etc rules.:eek:

Why?............

PatrickD

Personally I don't believe it breaches any rules, OFT or otherwise. Anyone disagree?

Pat

hurrah

PatrickD wrote: »

Personally I don't believe it breaches any rules, OFT or otherwise. Anyone disagree?

Pat

It not only breaches OFT guidelines, it breaks the DSA rules as they are a member, and probaly ASA rules.

PatrickD

hurrah wrote: »

It not only breaches OFT guidelines, it breaks the DSA rules as they are a member, and probaly ASA rules.

In what way does it break the rules?

thanks
Pat

hurrah

PatrickD wrote: »

In what way does it break the rules?

thanks
Pat

I thought you were a font of all knowledge on MLM.:D

hurrah

jhp wrote: »

All will become clearer when they release there half year figures to the 30/9/2011 on the 29/11/2011.

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail.html?announcementId=11024558

Whats happened to the trading statement they usually post, most odd not doing so.

PatrickD

hurrah wrote: »

I thought you were a font of all knowledge on MLM.:D

Thankyou for saying so, I would never say that about myself.

Now, maybe someone can tell us the problem with that advert. There is no income stated, no promises, the company name is not hidden and it states that its a distributor/team leader position. What problem do you have with it?

Pat

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

Thankyou for saying so, I would never say that about myself.

Now, maybe someone can tell us the problem with that advert. There is no income stated, no promises, the company name is not hidden and it states that its a distributor/team leader position. What problem do you have with it?

Pat

For starters its advertised like it's a proper job , when it isn't, it's an advert to join a franchise for a fee. In which case it should have the wealth warning on it.

Frankly these kinds of adverts are a joke - *team leader*?? no you start at the bottom and have to recruit everyone yourself and if you are very lucky 1 out of 10 will stay for more than a few months.

Whats worse are their little flyers which they used to use in the catalogue packs with a list of the various *job titles* Distributor, Team leader, Area leader and supposed incomes next to them and the idea was you send it back having ticked the one you are interested in.

Utter tosh of the very worst kind.