Kleeneeze or Betterware?

PatrickD

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

It wasn't like that at all , it had the descriptions and the supposed earning with little tick boxes. As if someone could just start and do the *team leader* thing and make this that or the other amount of money - well they can't regardless of flim flam put out by Kleeneze bronzes at meetings where they always have anecdotal stories of this person (never there and always the most bizarre - one legged bloke on an island etc etc) . They always peddle this garbage - everyone starts off tramping the streets with catalogues and if they get very very very lucky they *might* get a few signed up who do it for more than a few weeks.

Then again they may do it for a year and follow every word of the Bronzes and golds , go to every meeting , listen to every podcast and inspirational telephone message and STILL and up well out of pocket.

Of course there are few here in the first throes of it when at first it all seems to go well - they won't come back here when they give it up after rebuilding their *team* for the fourth time and getting nowhere fast. If they do they'll have to admit that all their flam about people being **Idle** because they watch TV or the Kleeneze works and people don't . They could of course rightly say they joined at the wrong time as it's always now being the best time to join - any time before must have been the worst time.

In fairness, in any MLM company you can start as a ''Team Builder'' from day one and as a sponsor you need to know the intentions of the person you are recruiting. You will need to teach them and work with them differently if they are going to be a distributor or a potential Team Builder so its good to know at the start what it is they want. Putting in an advert is a good idea in my opinion, to let us know the intentions of the prospect. I would agree to hold back on any earnings statements though and I usually wait till we can get together and I can run through the compensation plan with them.

As for your other point, I've seen different reactions when people give up on the business. Some are happy to just say that they gave up and it wasn't for them, some look for blame, some are outright hostile and can't take any blame themselves (and join forums to spend the rest of their lives moaning about their experiences lol). Everyone is just different.

As I've said before, my main problem with Kleeneze is that they mainly teach that people should spend most of their time on the streets either delivering catalogues or picking them up. Most people who have been very successful in any MLM/Direct sales company, build a downline of a lot of people doing a little amount of sales, which adds up to a lot of volume. Kleeneze seem to teach the other way, a few people each doing a lot of sales. Finding and expecting people to walk the streets in all weathers with catalogues for the rest of their lives will be tough going in my opinion, when its a much better use of people's time to teach them to use a few products every month, find a handful of customers who do the same, then find and teach other distributors to do the same....rinse and repeat.

Pat

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

In fairness, in any MLM company you can start as a ''Team Builder'' from day one and as a sponsor you need to know the intentions of the person you are recruiting. You will need to teach them and work with them differently if they are going to be a distributor or a potential Team Builder so its good to know at the start what it is they want. Putting in an advert is a good idea in my opinion, to let us know the intentions of the prospect. I would agree to hold back on any earnings statements though and I usually wait till we can get together and I can run through the compensation plan with them.

As for your other point, I've seen different reactions when people give up on the business. Some are happy to just say that they gave up and it wasn't for them, some look for blame, some are outright hostile and can't take any blame themselves (and join forums to spend the rest of their lives moaning about their experiences lol). Everyone is just different.

As I've said before, my main problem with Kleeneze is that they mainly teach that people should spend most of their time on the streets either delivering catalogues or picking them up. Most people who have been very successful in any MLM/Direct sales company, build a downline of a lot of people doing a little amount of sales, which adds up to a lot of volume. Kleeneze seem to teach the other way, a few people each doing a lot of sales. Finding and expecting people to walk the streets in all weathers with catalogues for the rest of their lives will be tough going in my opinion, when its a much better use of people's time to teach them to use a few products every month, find a handful of customers who do the same, then find and teach other distributors to do the same....rinse and repeat.

Pat

Well I'll say this - the ads I have seen are plain rubbish - lets face it when people sign up to kleeneze they can be told (from the circles) that they quite simply have to sign up 10 people and they are gold . So of course very little is **actually** said about tramping the streets - all of those ten will need to put out catalogues, not once or twice but for months on end to supply this gold level. Sitting with someone and saying what they *want* from the business is all well and good but the adverts say things like **Earn £200 - £500 and month part time** it's obvious what they want - money.

I have seen people in the team I was in start and do it for a few weeks then try to recruit , the problem is they are selling it as what they have been sold, using the circles etc . The trouble starts when those people have to go out and earn money with the catalogues - eventually ** somebody** has to get those books out and not for a few hundred pounds worth of orders but regular 10% - 13% . Unless they do this they'll never get anywhere near their money back or indeed anywhere near the earnings promised.

Of course the problem - and it is a problem , never admitted to , at least not until you've been in a few months and they trust you - that is 9 out of 10 people quit. They quit after finding you can't earn a £1 a book, that you lose loads of books as a beginner, that loads of other distributors might be in the area, that it takes 5 times longer to do than originally said. All in all so few make it past the first 6 months if that - the grim reality is they'll need to recruit all the time just to stand still, I did it for 12 months and saw so many good intentioned people, hard working people start , do it for a few months and end up out of pocket. Nobody dare tell new recruits that they'll need to recruit 10 people to get one that stays for 6 months.

Of course people come here and say horrible things like that people are lazy - but to come here and make out that people blame everyone but themselves is really quite wrong. You may be convinced that MLM works and that Kleeneze is fine but take it from me who worked all hours , all weekends, spent plenty of money and followed to the letter the advice of high earning bronzes and above that it didn't work and it was northing to do with me. Hard as it may be for some new recruits still starry eyed about this to comprehend but most people spend a fortune and all their time on this and end up nowhere.

This stuff about getting people to buy the stuff - the reality of the Kleeneze products is one of cheap poor quality goods way over priced - it's embarrassing to supply them on the doorstep. The stuff is way way cheaper in supermarkets and bargain shops and is often EXACTLY the same stuff with kleeneze labels stuck over them

One thing rarely mentioned by various supporters is why the requirement to get to Bronze for the so called holidays was changed given how easy it was meant to be? They ended up pulling Golds out the hat to go on Club Med 2 and now you *only* have to get to gold and hold it - that was meant to be the *easy* level to attain. My gold upline has been doing it for 7 years and has recruited hundreds yet still remains at gold, few can stick it out to get to gold now to push others up to bronze.

Jeanetteathome

wongawonga wrote: »

Dropped to 2.20 at close of business today,so not looking good.

How low can it actually go? would it go bankrupt if it fell below a penny?

Peter_Pan

PatrickD wrote: »

As I've said before, my main problem with Kleeneze is that they mainly teach that people should spend most of their time on the streets either delivering catalogues or picking them up. Most people who have been very successful in any MLM/Direct sales company, build a downline of a lot of people doing a little amount of sales, which adds up to a lot of volume. Kleeneze seem to teach the other way, a few people each doing a lot of sales. Finding and expecting people to walk the streets in all weathers with catalogues for the rest of their lives will be tough going in my opinion, when its a much better use of people's time to teach them to use a few products every month, find a handful of customers who do the same, then find and teach other distributors to do the same....rinse and repeat.

Pat

Earning an income from brochures is a great way for people to earn an extra income if thats what they want perhaps to invest back in their Business as you would in any conventional Business or if its extra income they need short term but i agree its not the ideal way as if you ever need to stop retailing for any reason then the income stops.
It is much better if you are with a Company where you actually want to use the products yourself to start with, which makes retailing easier and it is then easier to show others how you can change your own products over and then show others how to do the same as you say PatrickD. With Kleeneze we didn't because most of the products we could buy cheaper elsewhere as we found out when there was stock issues and to avoid disappointing the customers we went looking. Kleeneze products do not stand out to me as being any different from normal supermarket products or products found in poundland etc
which is one of the many reasons we ended up leaving. This could be the reason why they seem to push the brochure side of the Biz.

Debbie

Peter_Pan

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

How low can it actually go? would it go bankrupt if it fell below a penny?

Anyone know why the shares are dropping?

Debbie

JennyJewell

Hi all
I would just like to say in regards to receiving £1 order a book - someone I know very well has given out 5 books and from them received over £50 of orders The reason that this was achieved is because she knocked the doors of her neighbours and asked if they would be interested in having a look, when she picked them up two days later 4 out of the 5 had ordered and one of the books had 2 orders inside - one from the neighbour and one from the neighbour's daughter
Jen x

Jeanetteathome

Peter_Pan wrote: »

Earning an income from brochures is a great way for people to earn an extra income if thats what they want perhaps to invest back in their Business as you would in any conventional Business or if its extra income they need short term but i agree its not the ideal way as if you ever need to stop retailing for any reason then the income stops.

Debbie

You can't earn from the books , with all the time, fuel, hassle , replacement books, bags, leaflets, this specialogue or that new book. The endless trios back and forward to deliver the goods, the trips back when it breaks in five mins , the online charges m the delivery charges when your massive drop got you hardly enough orders to get free delivery.

All this quack about reinvesting in *business* - once you take out all the costs and add up the hours you are left with nothing, of course then the thing to do is sponsor and that opens a whole new endless pit to throw good money down, adverts, flyers, cards, leaflets, DVDs , petrol to go and see some poor bod without to pennies to rub together.

I like the way all your posts hint at a much better MLM than this but due to rules here you can't advertise it - it's really funny. When people used to drop out of the wider team I was in occasionally they email me with this or that new MLM thing that was so much better ,

The words *snake oil* leap to mind.

Jeanetteathome

JennyJewell wrote: »

Hi all
I would just like to say in regards to receiving £1 order a book - someone I know very well has given out 5 books and from them received over £50 of orders The reason that this was achieved is because she knocked the doors of her neighbours and asked if they would be interested in having a look, when she picked them up two days later 4 out of the 5 had ordered and one of the books had 2 orders inside - one from the neighbour and one from the neighbour's daughter
Jen x

**someone you know very well***

you do realise this post is very much like the stuff put out by kleeneze agents of their FB pages and websites?

Recently you posted - out of the blue how interested you were in joining, all *innocent* and out of the blue. hmmm. anyway....

Lets talk about this **someone** so beloved of distributors then , is this event trying to tell us how great Kleeneze is and how people are dying to buy stuff?

lets look more closely - take the *five free books to start* - people are supposed to assume from anecdotal stories like this that Kleenze books are great and poepl just can't wait to buy. People are supposed to extrapolate from this that if that was magnified by 200 books then you'd mnake a fortune? The few that ordered , will they order in 5 weeks time? and 5 weeks after that , and after that and after that ............

What happens when the stuff comes and it's so utterly cheap and nasty but costs an arm and leg they complain - more likely they'll say nothing but won't be fooled again. Wait till they see the same knick knack in the supermarket for 99p having paid £5 . What if it's broken when it comes and they need to order again , you can't order one eggwhisk , you need a great wedge of orders to make it worthwhile - what then?

Before the usual suspects appear - I once got a £150 order from one customer , that drop of 200 books was superb . The problem is you go out the following week and get £55 for ALL the 200 . The big ordering customer wasn't too happy with some of the stuff and only ordered small things again and after a few more visits stopped ordering or even looking at the books.

THIS is the key - not people ordering once , but enough ordering ALL the time , our meeting used to have folks saying who had the biggest single order and time and again this little man would say how he had one single £550 order , it was years before , plus on closer questioning the customer didn't order again. It's all put out there for newbies to eagerly lap up - to my shame I told of the £150 order, of course I said nothing about later drops so poor they didn't cover the fuel let alone the other costs.


There is another ex kleeneze distributor that has posted here I am in contact with - he did it full time for 3 years and his customer base ran into thousands, yet only a fraction of them would order every dreary 5 weeks when the books came round. He barely made over £300 a month after all expenses got taken into account. Full time .

OldGreyFox

The latest whizz is for some Kleeneze recruiter,s is to advertise for Eze Cook Consultants to push the cooking products, or Eze Spa Consultants to sell the new beauty range.

OldGreyFox

JennyJewell wrote: »

Hi all
I would just like to say in regards to receiving £1 order a book - someone I know very well has given out 5 books and from them received over £50 of orders

Your not talking about yourself are you ?

How many direct selling businesses have you been in this year ? You have mentioned a few .:D