Kleeneeze or Betterware?

petestan

I guess we will have to agree to disagree then Jeanetteathome, whilst kleeneze is not perfect I don't think it deserves the slagging off it gets in this thread.

Jeanetteathome

petestan wrote: »

I guess we will have to agree to disagree then Jeanetteathome, whilst kleeneze is not perfect I don't think it deserves the slagging off it gets in this thread.

So you don't disagree about the things I have written? It all depends whether you turn a blind eye to all the stuff wrong with Kleeneze and there is a mountain of stuff and believe all the stuff that is supposedly right about it.

The millionaire lifestyle that is blathered about , the full time money for *just a few hours a week* , the *spend more time with friends and family* , the * financial freedom*, the *best pension plan ever*

I could go on but these are the sort of comments that are out there , on Bronze distributor sites , used at meeting and *seminars* - did you see the link to Gavin Scott?? *better than winning the lottery*

And all of this before anyone has even put a book out - to houses that don't want them , would never buy the tat, that if they *did* buy the tat certainly wouldn't be fooled again. Selling stuff to the elderly and housebound who can't get to the bargain shops. This is before new recruits trot out all smiling with their 200 books and shiney new trolley to lose half of them straight away and get £25 in orders because mrs smith thought they were fred who normally does her road etc etc.

Oh kleeneze deserves ALL the stick it gets and more, much much more. The more people that save their money by NOT doing this the better.

Jeanetteathome

I'll tell another thing too - the endless Kleeneze websites that are just frankly scandalous in their promises, they might cover themselves with a * wealth warning * at the end but it doesn't stop them writing crap like this :_

***When starting the business part-time you will earn about £450 per month straight away when distributing 200 catalogues twice weekly. Thereafter profits of £500 per month are commonplace; £1,000 per month frequent; £2,000 per month attainable by anybody and £5,000+ per month if you're really committed.***

£450 straight away! - from 200 books twice a week - they are using £1 book there aren't they. Forget the time that will take , believe me anyone reading , that will need 400 individual houses to put books into each week for 4 -5 weeks, thats a lot of houses, forget the big estates , they are WELL covered by any kleeneze distributor already , the chances of finding 1600 - 2000 houses that haven't seen a book for months is zero , remembering that only a tiny fraction buy or even look at the books. Imagine the vast area you'll need on the SECOND round of drops if you've missed out all the houses that didn't give the books back or said no. The round gets bigger and bigger with ZERO extra return.

It'll cost and arm and a leg in books, even with the free books, then there is petrol then the biggest thing is the time - it will take every night till late and all weekend. Forget family , forget friends, forget freedom you'll be running round hunting for sticky books ( books not yet collected even after posting *please leave you book out * slips) trying to catch people in for the £2 potato peeler that after 4 visits you may as well have bought it for them givent he cost of fuel.

So even if and its a massive if , you got enough orders to make £450 most of that would go in fuel and costs , plus if you worked out how long it took you'll see you were getting pennies per hour.

Oh and when you go back round that huge area the third time someone else has been round the day before and got what few orders there are and you get nothing , but you still have to go round and get all the books in turn them all around but this time for Zilch.

I'll take a break now - I don't want to even start on the sponsoring process just yet!

petestan

I have been doing kleeneze for 9 years now, I started exactly the same way as everyone else, with 50 books in my case, I have around 1000 customers that are happy to buy from me regularly, quite a few of those have been ordering off me for most if not all those 9 years. Not one person is forced to buy from the catalogue everyone has a choice.

I also regularly drop a few customers who decide they don't want to order from me or who haven't ordered in the last 6 months or who are a pain to get the book back from and I regularly reblanket on streets that I have blanketed half a dozen times over the last 9 years and yet somehow, miraculously, I still get orders from customers who have never ordered off me before or who have ordered off me in the past and either they decided they didn't want another book at that time or I dropped because they hadn't ordered in a while.

As for the distributor websites, Kleeneze now have official ones for every distributor called mykleeneze.com/...... , at the moment distributors are still allowed to have their own websites as well, but I am very sure that sometime soon kleeneze will stop them having their own and force everyone to use the official ones for the very reason you state.

Oh and I live in a small town in Lancashire with a population around the 15,000 mark but when I started, unknown to myself, there were 4 established distributors and 2 newbie ones including myself but I still got orders on my very first drops.

gscott

look kleeneze works and so does betterware, it people that don,t
how many kids go to university run up thousands on loans and work at macdonalds, not a very good plan
how many quit before the end, loads, do they blame the university
if people work kleeneze right like paul tonkin does they would get the same results
earn £4500 on retail profit in last 4 weeks

if people put there heart into kleeneze and be teachable it works
gavin scott

Jeanetteathome

gscott wrote: »

look kleeneze works and so does betterware, it people that don,t
how many kids go to university run up thousands on loans and work at macdonalds, not a very good plan
how many quit before the end, loads, do they blame the university
if people work kleeneze right like paul tonkin does they would get the same results
earn £4500 on retail profit in last 4 weeks

if people put there heart into kleeneze and be teachable it works
gavin scott

Is this for real? the great Gavin Scott makes a post defending Kleenze but makes it look like it's written by a five year old.

I'll start with a really really simple question - why have few and fewer people reached bronze than ever before? so few reached bronze that they had to do a pathetic *lucky dip* for Golds to go on Club Med 2.

How come, of those that reach gold, so few can actually hold it.

wongawonga

gscott wrote: »

look kleeneze works and so does betterware, it people that don,t
how many kids go to university run up thousands on loans and work at macdonalds, not a very good plan
how many quit before the end, loads, do they blame the university
if people work kleeneze right like paul tonkin does they would get the same results
earn £4500 on retail profit in last 4 weeks

if people put there heart into kleeneze and be teachable it works
gavin scott

If you are the Gavin Scott that runs one of Kleeneze biggest teams your supposed to declare an interest when posting about your own opportunity.

Dragging up old sayings like "Kleeneze Works, its people that dont" will be taken with a pinch of salt here.Give us some proper info no BS like trying to convince people that new expensive cars are achievable from Kleeneze Income.
http://kleeneze03.blogspot.com/2011/09/new-kleeneze-27000-toy.html

wongawonga

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Is this for real? the great Gavin Scott makes a post defending Kleenze but makes it look like it's written by a five year old.

If it is him ? Mr Scott normally writes with no capital letters and very little punctuation.

billsavings

Mr Scott is that not the Guy who claims you can achieve financial independence with a fabulous lifestyle by working full-time with Kleeneze.:rotfl:Dream on !!

Honest_John_666

gscott wrote: »

look kleeneze works and so does betterware, it people that don,t
how many kids go to university run up thousands on loans and work at macdonalds, not a very good plan
how many quit before the end, loads, do they blame the university
if people work kleeneze right like paul tonkin does they would get the same results
earn £4500 on retail profit in last 4 weeks

if people put there heart into kleeneze and be teachable it works
gavin scott

Morning Gavin, Ricardo here great to have you on here finally I hope you will stay with us & answer all the questions correctly. Pls dont swear on here or call anyone names as it isn't big, clever or tollerated

Hows its going me 'ol mucker good to see the o'l toon making a good start

Anyways........how its all going??? I know your doing OK for yourself & good luck to you. You got in @ the start & well done

Why do you think your group sales have continued to decline in a period this decade when more & more & more people are looking for a 2nd income???

Regards
John