Kleeneeze or Betterware?

wongawonga

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

WW..... think you'll find there is NO WAY you'll only lose 10% of your books on your first drop out. Even if you do 3 picks ups on the books.

You'll get loads who'll of thrown them away......... then you could come across another Kleeneze rep on the same turf who will probably pick up your books........


GO ON someone...........tell me this doesn't happen :rotfl:

Regards
John

Yes John you are no doubt right i was erring on the cautious side.:D

I see the MD is bringing out the big cheque pic,s again for publicity purposes. See http://twitpic.com/6rfubf

No mention that this is a gross figure before any expenditure.

Honest_John_666

I know you was WW :j

This thread sometimes appears right @ the top of a google search, so I just like to add my thoughts & facts so to help anyone doing some research

& as for Pete........5 call backs on your books :eek: & how far do you travel..........:eek: yes I can really see the earning potential on this........NOT:rotfl:

Regards to all & where are all the pro Kleeneze people :cool:
John

Honest_John_666

wongawonga wrote: »

Yes John you are no doubt right i was erring on the cautious side.:D

I see the MD is bringing out the big cheque pic,s again for publicity purposes. See http://twitpic.com/6rfubf

No mention that this is a gross figure before any expenditure.

Yes WW.......these chqs have been proven many, many many times before as a complete fake.

It seems out there that Kleeneze are just about done in. Very tired company with no real direction. They seem to be scraping the barrel. All their supposed top earners are going backwards. The odd one in a million/billion does OK. The good retailers seem to do OK BUT still riddled with scumbags who pray on people on the recruitment side.

I see the ASA & trading standards are looking at quite a few Kleeneze adverts as they are still spouting the same ol rubbish. Also heard there were some serious cases being brought to the court of law. Just a whisper though :cool:

My mate had a tip off from a Kleeneze person saying to keep an eye on an EX- Kleeneze person who had just joined Betterware. The person is averaging about £700 per week is sales no probs at all. So on the face of it the Kleeneze tip off was from a very upset Kleeneze upline very upset to lose a very good agent :rotfl:

Of course cue the response.........

Keep up the good work WW :T

Regard
John

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

As I have told you numerous times John it all depends how many times you are willing to go back, on a blanket drop of 100 cats I will lose maybe 4 or 5 as I go back whenever I am passing the area until I get a definite no "I've thrown it", or more likely "I can't find it" (most people will not tell you to your face that they have thrown it) or I get the book back. I've been back 5, 6 or more times in the past and got books back, if you only go back once then you WILL "lose" more books. (they aren't lost you should know exactly where they are.)

I have never had another Kleeneze rep take any of my books I cannot comment on what has happened to other people.

Please come up with something new instead of repeating the same old stuff.

Sorry pete......didn't know I was talking to you

So........you do 5/6 callbacks :eek: & only lose 5% of your books. You must pick your demographic areas correctly then & you've not many agents in your area As I've said good luck to you, I dont really trust what you say some of the time, but good luck to you

Anyone completly new can lose the lot...... FACT pete & you know it. Its happened before & will continue to happen........ FACT. If its never happened to you as nothing ever seems to your must be VERY VERY VERY lucky

I cant come up with anything new pete as there isn't anything new. So come on tell us something??? Hows its all going??? What are your sales like year on year??? I cant seem to find your name on the blogs where are you??? Have you dissapeared onto another uplines reports??? Come on pete tell the truth :rotfl:

Regards
John

petestan

wongawonga wrote: »

So in your case Pete you would lose approx 20 books on a 400 drop which would result in a loss of £750 a year plus all the expenditure and time of going back chasing them.Still a significant loss.

When you say you have never had anybody take your books. I have seen it mention many times in other forums that books are taken in some places.Post above shows that Kleeneze distributors actually brag about distributors nicking established distributors business.

What about the distributors earnings from his sales, do you think he is dropping books for the good of his health?

I can only talk about myself and I may have had an odd book taken by other distributors, usually because the householder gives them my one and their own at the same time, but I have never had loads of them taken.
As I say I only call back when I am passing the area anyway whether it's for dropping cat's or doing deliveries.

I have had newbie distributors drop their cat's and not make any notes of which houses they dropped to or which they collected them back from so they didn't know where their stragglers where.

If the distributor has proof another distributor took their books, (that may be some of the householders willing to say so), Kleeneze will terminate the thief from their business because ALL distributors know there are NO fixed areas with Kleeneze.

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Sorry pete......didn't know I was talking to you

So........you do 5/6 callbacks :eek: & only lose 5% of your books. You must pick your demographic areas correctly then & you've not many agents in your area As I've said good luck to you, I dont really trust what you say some of the time, but good luck to you

Anyone completly new can lose the lot...... FACT pete & you know it. Its happened before & will continue to happen........ FACT. If its never happened to you as nothing ever seems to your must be VERY VERY VERY lucky

I cant come up with anything new pete as there isn't anything new. So come on tell us something??? Hows its all going??? What are your sales like year on year??? I cant seem to find your name on the blogs where are you??? Have you dissapeared onto another uplines reports??? Come on pete tell the truth :rotfl:

Regards
John

As I said in reply to wongawonga John, all distributors KNOW there are no fixed areas so if they are willing to take the risk of pinching someone else's cat's they don't deserve to be in the business anyway. Just because it may have happened to some distributors doesn't mean it is happening to every distributor.

As an established distributor I get peeved when a newbie drops their cat's around an area where I have some of my best customers the week before me, I also remember that I may be established now but 9+ years ago I was the newbie dropping for the 1st time and there is nothing I can do except explain to the customers that there are no fixed areas and there is nothing I can do about it and I rely on them waiting for me to come around with my cat's.
The reality is that no matter how many times you tell them some of them will still order from the other distributor and there is nothing I can do about it, that is called competition. We also have competition from Betterware and from Avon just like every other business out there customers can order from whoever they want.

Peter_Pan

The whole idea of building a customer base with any Company is to keep it as local as you can so that callbacks and stragglers aren't too much of a problem as it could be on route to school or the shops, i appreciate that its not easy to do that perhaps with Kleeneze because of the numbers of people dropping brochures in the same area, i know when we did Kleeneze we had to go quite far afield to gain the number of customers we wanted.
You can still make a useful extra income from retailing once you have built a customer base, we have done it with Kleeneze, Everyday Essentials and now doing again with Wikaniko but its also remembering that if you stop retailing then so does the income but it can also mean the difference to some people whether they keep a roof over their head or can put food on the table, i just wish people would be honest with prospects about the time, effort needed to build the customer base, it doesn't happen overnight however much time you have to commit to me and its not going to be a huge amount for sometime.

Debbie

Jeanetteathome

petestan wrote: »

As I have told you numerous times John it all depends how many times you are willing to go back, on a blanket drop of 100 cats I will lose maybe 4 or 5 as I go back whenever I am passing the area until I get a definite no "I've thrown it", or more likely "I can't find it" (most people will not tell you to your face that they have thrown it) or I get the book back. I've been back 5, 6 or more times in the past and got books back, if you only go back once then you WILL "lose" more books. (they aren't lost you should know exactly where they are.)

I have never had another Kleeneze rep take any of my books I cannot comment on what has happened to other people.

Please come up with something new instead of repeating the same old stuff.

But you forget to say that you don't just blanket 100 books - you'll do that twice a week OR if you are new you'll be doing 200 twice a week. Those 4 or 5 soon mound up, then there are books ruined by the wet - if the bag gets a tiny nick from going through the letterbox , not difficult if the packs are full of the various books then the water gets in and they are ruined.

These few here and there mound up into a new box of books every few weeks with no visible increase in sales.

As to other distributors - try building a new area and building customer trust when new distributors come along every few weeks. A knock on from this is you can't use ANYTHING other than the most brand new books as new distributors will all have new books .

It's just cost after cost and no amount hard work will make people buy over priced stuff they can buy in poundshops.

petestan

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

But you forget to say that you don't just blanket 100 books - you'll do that twice a week OR if you are new you'll be doing 200 twice a week. Those 4 or 5 soon mound up, then there are books ruined by the wet - if the bag gets a tiny nick from going through the letterbox , not difficult if the packs are full of the various books then the water gets in and they are ruined.

These few here and there mound up into a new box of books every few weeks with no visible increase in sales.

As to other distributors - try building a new area and building customer trust when new distributors come along every few weeks. A knock on from this is you can't use ANYTHING other than the most brand new books as new distributors will all have new books .

It's just cost after cost and no amount hard work will make people buy over priced stuff they can buy in poundshops.

When you first start off yes you can lose a few books, although as I say it depends on how many times you go back as to how many. This is why kleeneze now give all new starters FREE books if they put in orders over a certain amount, (link to kleeneze dsa here does not contain advertising) after the first couple of times around you then get 99% of your books back every time.

Wet cat's if you check and replace your bags before you put them out I rarely get any that can't be dried off and reused unless it absolutely pours it down, which you can't do anything about anyway. You probably won't believe me but around here it absolutely threw it down one day recently just before and for the 1st hour I was out collecting my cats, on that day I think I threw out 3 or 4 only out of around 80 collected and most were on the step not in the house.

As for items being in pound shops, the vast majority of cleaning items are now their own brand which are NOT in the pound shops (The pound shops may sell similar items but that doesn't mean they are the same) and anyway we sell loads of items that you will never find in the pound shops in a million years. I regularly check ebay and amazon if an item is sold out to see if I can find the item for any customers who want it and only occasionally do I find it cheaper, but hey I am probably lying like ALL us distributors do.

Jeanetteathome

I think 99% of books back is being a little optimistic really, I did this for over a year and whilst blanketing and basically spending as much time as possible on it being retired I lost quite a few books, out of 200 over 15 sometimes. More like the 10% every time you put them out. In my area there were so many distributors falling over each other people threw them away or other distributer took them when offered by householders.

I have seen the new incentives put in place and it looks fine but when I did this there was no such thing - we got a box of books for your first 10% level reached and the upline matched that which possibly works out about the same. The thing is a new starter will need far more than that - 200 books twice a week was what they were recommending and firstly putting aside the age that it took not the few hours the uplines would have everyone believe the losses were quite large . By the end of the first month you could have lost most of those books - given the 10% loss for new starters or those because of work who couldn't go round 5 times rattling doors like I did.

At the end of the day it's a plan to keep people going for the first month - free 100+ books then hopefully they are established. But it doesn't work like that in practice, takes about 5 weeks to complete a whole new *round* thats either 200 once a week or 200 twice , which is 400 unique addresses each week for five weeks. By the last drops you are well away from home , and I was falling over other distributors each time I went out. My upline kept saying try this area or that area - driving 6 miles to a new area just to avoid other distributors made the cost of fuel and time prohibitive. This farcical idea that Kleeneze propagate that people are just waiting behind their doors to buy from every book that comes along , they aren't there are a finite number of people in any area that will buy and thats that. Having lots of distributors in one place doesn't work.

By the time it came to going round again the second and third time - building that all important customer base, the areas had been dropped by other distributors. Didn't matter that I had nice coloured labels to differentiate my catalogues from others , the few customers that were there had bought from other books. 400 drops for less than £100 in orders? No use asking uplines for help as all you get is blather , go to the meetings for *training* and they don't give a toot about the catalogues it was *how many sign ups have you got* .

Me pointing out it would be no use signing up friends and neighbours when I myself can't get any orders in our area went down like a ton of bricks though not willing to be beaten I did drop leaflets and take out newspaper adverts.

It's all money money money and with no reward at all, it costs a fortune to do and takes 4 times longer than the most conservative estimate of time. It upsets me when I see this pushed at unemployed people or single mums or struggling families. I have money , car and unlimited time but still it didn't work, I was called negative , I have listened to all the rubbish spouted about kleeneze working when it was obvious by the people dropping out of the teams that it didn't. Even the increasingly ludicrous gavin scott has stated likening Kleeneze to winning the lottery -


http://kleeneze03.blogspot.com/2011/09/why-kleeneze-is-better-than-lottery.html


Utter bilge *get just ten people* - there were bods at our meeting who had been in for 5 yrs lived and breathed it and had signed up nearly 300 people over that time and still they languished on a very poor gold sometimes barely holding it.

As to Kleeneze goods - there are very very few that are unique to kleeneze, they might relabel them , sticking their label over the makers but most of that stuff is available cheaper on the high street now. The stuff is cheap, way way over priced and is largely an embarrassment to deliver. It's hardly surprising that kleeneze and it's distributors are seen as untrustworthy , the whole thing is based of half truths and obfuscation.