Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Rons_socks

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

I think they way its is going if they do not get an uplift out of the Xmas catalogue there will be some very serious changes just after the New Year. So they are going to support their customers with the same Xmas catalogue for how long????

Everything with this business points to it going backwards @ an alarming rate so if as I predict the sales are not there for Kleeneze they will be gone OR some massive changes will happen. It has to.

I beleive the BIG earners will suffer more, the foot soldiers cannot be hit any more surley???

The more & more sites like this coupled with the honest opinions that are fed out, the less & less likely people are going to sucked into this devil blood sucking company which IMO prey on the vulnerable.

Good riddance blood suckers :mad:

Regards
Honest John

Hi John, newbie Ron here. I am Kleeneze distributor, (for now). I too was suckered in with the promised land rubbish. In hindsight I should have check it out more,especially since I have found this forum and many more like it. I totally agree with all your posts. I have worked dammed hard traipsing the streets day in,day out for little or no reward. Seven days a week,turning brochures around until daft o'clock. It has taken over my life,everything else gets left behind. All this is sold on stories and tales of working part time, that is the power in the testimonials, "earn xyz part time". That is the tool that the upline are using,part time earnings, 10 to 15 hours a week, making £2000 profit. They don't factor in all the costs of running this thing.....what would the true profits be on these testimonials, wouldn't look as good would they?
The seminars and opp meetings became so boring repetitive, the same all thing,time after time. If any distributors have been to Rob Forsters success seminar in Sheffield, they will know its like ground hog day. Lots of new faces every time I went, but noticed the numbers dwindling, people that I saw at the beginning of the year were no longer attending. Once you join up, they pat you on the head,recognition, then move on to the next newbie. Its all getting tiresome.

Rons_socks

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I also found this with Kleeneze which is why i'm now with a Company that not only does have good repeatable sale items but also a worthwhile cause behind it as well. By providing samples of other products from the brochure to what they already buy and giving them a w/c date when i will next be dropping the brochure i am finding regular orders are increasing and order values starting to increase, they can then plan their shopping. I have even had a couple of people ask me to do automatic monthly orders such as doggy waste bags (did you realise that by putting doogy waste in normal plastic bags is actually preserving the waste which is naturally biodegrading material beautifully for 1000s of years in landfill )- something perhaps we will work on and offer to all customers. .

Debbie

I have had a lot of customer returns recently, the quality is getting worse. Often items arrive broken. Recently I even asked a customer to check if she was happy with a bathroom item as it was poor quality. I was embarrassed delivering it to the customer. I would not have paid the price for it, therefore I was not happy taking inferior goods to the door. I have a conscience. Colleagues have also expressed more items are being returned.

wongawonga

The new Kleeneze Sales Director is now in situ. . Her background is diirect selling of beauty products so you can expect more of those type of products to be added to the already cumbersome product range.

wongawonga

Times must be hard at Kleeneze when the MD no less twitters they have a very limited half price offer on vacuums in the Kleeneze online shop.:D

threemuttleys

I did Kleeneze about 10 years ago...most pointless exercise that was! Made no money, hours traipsing around the streets, and silly meetings for nothing!

Honest_John_666

Rons_socks wrote: »

Hi John, newbie Ron here. I am Kleeneze distributor, (for now). I too was suckered in with the promised land rubbish. In hindsight I should have check it out more,especially since I have found this forum and many more like it. I totally agree with all your posts. I have worked dammed hard traipsing the streets day in,day out for little or no reward. Seven days a week,turning brochures around until daft o'clock. It has taken over my life,everything else gets left behind. All this is sold on stories and tales of working part time, that is the power in the testimonials, "earn xyz part time". That is the tool that the upline are using,part time earnings, 10 to 15 hours a week, making £2000 profit. They don't factor in all the costs of running this thing.....what would the true profits be on these testimonials, wouldn't look as good would they?
The seminars and opp meetings became so boring repetitive, the same all thing,time after time. If any distributors have been to Rob Forsters success seminar in Sheffield, they will know its like ground hog day. Lots of new faces every time I went, but noticed the numbers dwindling, people that I saw at the beginning of the year were no longer attending. Once you join up, they pat you on the head,recognition, then move on to the next newbie. Its all getting tiresome.

Hi Ron

Are you still active within Kleeneze???

I still believe theres a lot of good people making a living out there within Kleeneze & good luck to them :T

I think what you are saying is quite similar to a lot of people on various other media outlets & yes VERY tiresome especially when they lie.

I think you dont need to be a scientist to work that out from the replies we've had on this thread alone :rotfl:

Good luck!

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

Rons_socks wrote: »

I have had a lot of customer returns recently, the quality is getting worse. Often items arrive broken. Recently I even asked a customer to check if she was happy with a bathroom item as it was poor quality. I was embarrassed delivering it to the customer. I would not have paid the price for it, therefore I was not happy taking inferior goods to the door. I have a conscience. Colleagues have also expressed more items are being returned.

If you've a conscience then Ron, can I ask why you are still selling to your customers presuming the fact that you don't seem to have any confidence in the products your are retailing???

Are you retailing only Ron, or do you have a team below you???

Regards
John

threemuttleys

Does anyone do Betterware? Are they in any better position than Kleeneze.

I got a catalgoue through the door the other day, and was surprised at the cost of a lot of the items. Most could be picked up from Wilko/99p stores for a fraction of the price K wants

Honest_John_666

Hi threemuttleys

I dont myself but I have a very close friend/best mate/drinking partner who does

He said the company are doing OK but not their best year 2008 & 2009 they had two successive double digit sales growth of approx 11% both years. 2010 starting slowing down a little to about 8%

The company are also soley owned by Andrew Cohen, with no debts, no banks. therefore no worries.

In a nutshell up 30% of natural sales growth - NOT sales based on starter kits/books/stationary as Betterware is completley free to join:T :T :T

They indentified that a little complacency has set in with their managers where most will earn at least £15/20 pro rata. Quite happy to pop round & look after the existing agents each week & get paid in cash

He said sales are now lifting back up as they have been recruiting new managers into the business, who are once again taking the business forward

THE PRODUCTS, its a choice, buy or dont buy. Yes the £££ shops are cheaper BUT they will not offer a no quibble 12 month gauarantee so work that out for yourselfs

Just by chance last night my mate was telling me that theres a KZ agent who keeps stealing the books from Betterware. BAD NEWS for that person as the books & orders this KZ perosn has stolen & yes they have written statement from customers saying he has picked them up has picked on the wrong person. Not going to say anymore on an open forum :cool:


IMO another scumbag :mad: & good riddance to those that do this sort of thing

Hope this helps

Regards
John

Rons_socks

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi Ron

Are you still active within Kleeneze???

I still believe theres a lot of good people making a living out there within Kleeneze & good luck to them :T

I think what you are saying is quite similar to a lot of people on various other media outlets & yes VERY tiresome especially when they lie.

I think you dont need to be a scientist to work that out from the replies we've had on this thread alone :rotfl:

Good luck!

Regards
John

HI John,

Still active for the moment.