Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Rons_socks

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi Ron

Are you still active within Kleeneze???

I still believe theres a lot of good people making a living out there within Kleeneze & good luck to them :T

I think what you are saying is quite similar to a lot of people on various other media outlets & yes VERY tiresome especially when they lie.

I think you dont need to be a scientist to work that out from the replies we've had on this thread alone :rotfl:

Good luck!

Regards
John

Hi John,

Still active for now.

Rons_socks

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

If you've a conscience then Ron, can I ask why you are still selling to your customers presuming the fact that you don't seem to have any confidence in the products your are retailing???

Are you retailing only Ron, or do you have a team below you???

Regards
John

Hi John,

Not all the Items are tat, just most of them!! I am to leave the business very shortly, paid for 250 new brochures recently. I need to get my money back. Then I am out of the business. I do have a conscience as I could easily carry on selling tat without a word to the customers.

I have a team, it's a hard slog trying to motivate people to stay and even harder to sell an opportunity to new people looking for an Income, seeing that I don't believe in Kleeneze myself.

The rich are getting richer, whilst the foot solders are going hungry!!!

Regards

Ron

Rons_socks

wongawonga wrote: »

The new Kleeneze Sales Director is now in situ. . Her background is diirect selling of beauty products so you can expect more of those type of products to be added to the already cumbersome product range.

Hi,

Kleenze are to combine the main brochure with the health & beauty brochure, suppose it was the new sales directors input. Thus making quite a cumbersome brochure. Kleeneze are also releasing a new product called Ezespa. See below for details from website....more cost to the foot soldiers!
Kleeneze are trying to compete with avon with this ezespa thing....no contest.....Avon wins hands down!!!!

Also another monthly bargain catalogue, who said on this forum that It is easy to spot a Knz distributor as they are bent double with the weight? Hernia here we come!!!

September Monthly Bargains. Last week we revealed the new Autumn-Winter Issue 2 book, with combined Main Book and Health & Beauty. This week you get another great tool to add to your catalogue packs – September Monthly Bargains!


From the first week of October, you and your customers will be able to get their hands on our exciting new, own-branded, spa range. There are 17 products in the collection and they can provide a great boost to your profits, as well as alternative doorstep demonstration products.
There will also be an 8-page A5 booklet that will be available in packs of 100 for just £2.50/€3 a pack on code 83097. These will also be live early October.

Honest_John_666

Rons_socks wrote: »

Hi John,

Not all the Items are tat, just most of them!! I am to leave the business very shortly, paid for 250 new brochures recently. I need to get my money back. Then I am out of the business. I do have a conscience as I could easily carry on selling tat without a word to the customers.

I have a team, it's a hard slog trying to motivate people to stay and even harder to sell an opportunity to new people looking for an Income, seeing that I don't believe in Kleeneze myself.

The rich are getting richer, whilst the foot solders are going hungry!!!

Regards

Ron

Thanks Ron & really nice to hear some honesty :beer:

Good luck with any new ventures

In this sort of game you must believe in the products to get the repeat business.

Regards
John

wongawonga

I see they have dragged the Kleeneze Cheques out again for publicity purposes but dont tell people this is the gross amount the person received . (No mention of the expenditure that has to be deducted from the amount.)

Peter_Pan

The latest trend seems to be putting pics of their Xmas order forms from customers with their name and details obscured to show people do buy from the Xmas brochure.

wongawonga

Peter_Pan wrote: »

The latest trend seems to be putting pics of their Xmas order forms from customers with their name and details obscured to show people do buy from the Xmas brochure.

They might not have a Xmas Order and be just filling in a blank order form and obscuring the details for effect. As if .

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi threemuttleys

I dont myself but I have a very close friend/best mate/drinking partner who does

He said the company are doing OK but not their best year 2008 & 2009 they had two successive double digit sales growth of approx 11% both years. 2010 starting slowing down a little to about 8%

The company are also soley owned by Andrew Cohen, with no debts, no banks. therefore no worries.

In a nutshell up 30% of natural sales growth - NOT sales based on starter kits/books/stationary as Betterware is completley free to join:T :T :T

They indentified that a little complacency has set in with their managers where most will earn at least £15/20 pro rata. Quite happy to pop round & look after the existing agents each week & get paid in cash

He said sales are now lifting back up as they have been recruiting new managers into the business, who are once again taking the business forward

THE PRODUCTS, its a choice, buy or dont buy. Yes the £££ shops are cheaper BUT they will not offer a no quibble 12 month gauarantee so work that out for yourselfs

Not what this says John:

Link to story


If you can point me to somewhere that proves what you are saying about the company is true it would be appreciated, as with it being a private company they do not have to publish it, unlike Kleeneze who publish their accounts for all to see as their parent company is listed on the Stock Exchange.

All I can find from a google search date back to 1990's.

Honest_John_666

Sorry Pete. This story is inacurate. :rotfl:

According to my source Andrew Cohen became sole owner of Betterware in Sept 2010.

As you into this sort of thing do a check on who the company directors are. Not sure if this means who owns Betterware :cool:

I'm pretty certain from the info I have & the person I know was with the 3 directors only a few weeks ago that Betterware are owned soley by the said person

As for Kleeneze.......a joke of a set up......full of scumbags praying on innocent people still BUT as I've always said that commet doesn't include everyone & is totally my opinion.

Whilst your back on Pete......hows it all going for you??? Hows the recruitment going????

Regards
John

wongawonga

I see their are problems with misleading Kleeneze recruitment ads on Gumtree.

http://forums.gumtree.com/viewtopic_f_6_t_397964_Another_MLM_SCAM_FOR_KLEENEZE