Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Fair enough I just got a bit carried away with that one although Betterware does seem to get an easier ride than Kleeneze.




Cheers John, I guess we'll agree to disagree. :rotfl:

Ha ha good luck pete :rotfl:

Right wheres bandos :rotfl:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

Whats up Honest John? Can't take the heat, don't like conversing with anyone who won't give in to you? I did not say I wasn't coming back!!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

My guess tells me that your reply was written by your upline....IMO

Heat.......bring it on bandos let keep it real though shall we & if you want to debate about the pros & cons of this thread then please answer every question :T

Give me facts & figures bandos:rotfl:c'mon bandos you must do better I can only give you 3/10 so far

I'll agree or disagree just like I do with a respected poster such as pete you dont need to be a rocket scientist to work that out or anyone in Kleeneze with a reported near 5 years of experience or from someone that is probably nearing 50 years of age

I certainly dont want you to go bandos, pls keep posting. :money:

Normally the holes get dug deeper & just like pete........left the thread ..........eventually but fantastic to have him popping in. :beer: Admitted that hes' 10% down on sales....an admittance that it isn't that great out there.

If he or you are earning a decent living out & after 5 years, great for you.

I didn't need pete to tell me what his figures are as they are on/used to me on Gavin Scott's blogs which are in the public domian

Get anyone on here you like bandos, give it your best shot this is a platform for you bandos to tell us about the Kleeneze opportunity

Please dont come out with the same ol' rubbish that been posted before & can be openly read eleswhere on the WWW

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

If its a waste of time then what are you doing back on here bandos
:rotfl:

Are you of the female persuasion & always want the last word :rotfl: sorry ladies I couldn't resist that one

As for research......dont you think that this thread alone comes under that.

There are many other resources available for research...not just this thread, which seems to be inhabited by self opinionated think they know it all people like yourself.
Great..... bring to this thread some sites which are saying Kleeneze is brilliant then :rotfl:

While you haven't gone anywhere near answering any of my questions & everyone else you has said the same........answer the questions........

I have given answers to many of your questions if you care to read the posts, point is you don't like the answers I have given because they happen to differ from your views, so you keep stating that I have not answered any questions. You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own.
You've answered many but not all because you either cant wont or too scared....very typical

I think your very typical of every Kleeneze person anyone has ever come across. Thats not a slant on yiur goodself bandos that is a general observation which can be backed up by justing reading back through this thread alone.

And I think you will find that every Kleeneze person who has posted on this thread has given an honest opinion of the business, which you don't happen to like.... tough isn't it.
An honest opinion...you really are deluded or having a laugh aren't you???

My point being pete who has always through gritted teeth (Similar to these) has tried to be pretty up front in most of his replies & for that alone gets my respect, unfortuately bandos & imo you dont

Respect is a two way thing, you have not shown me one inkling since I first posted on the thread, you have done nothing but castigated every answer I have given. I on the other hand have tried to have an honest debate, however I am not prepared to be bullied by you or your ilk.
Respect is actually earned


I will point out to you bandos that I do have the mental capability to understand a concept. I do understand how most MLM concepts work.

I find that very difficult to believe.
That doesn't surprise me bandos or whoever is writing this

Finally....well nearly finally bandos I do understand what you are trying to do......you're trying to recruit people just like pete does via this thread on this forum. Thats why pete has thanked you for one of your posts. Pete thanks all Kleeneze people for their posts. Thats his choice & good luck to him.

Sorry but you are wrong again, I found this thread by pure chance, I then read through some of the responses to the very first post, most of which were spouting rubbish, which I think if you check I mentioned in my first post, and tried to give some honest facts about the business. I am not using this as a vehicle to recruit anyone into the business because we are not team building, we earn our income through retail alone.
So facts are rubbish. I'll give you another one IMO 99.5% of peoples opinion of Kleeneze is rubbish. The other 0.5% dont


I've asked you to bring your uplines in this thread, all thats ever happened is someone went crying to the MD of Kleeneze. I dont think I need to bring my contact from Betterware on here do you. Seems even I & loads of other contributors to this thread can pick holes in the Kleeneze puzzle.

Actually no... you cannot pick holes in Kleeneze.... it is not a puzzle, just like Betterware it is a legitimate proven way of earning an income. Just because you didn't make a success of it, doesn't mean nobody else can, as several posters on this thread have informed you.
I can pick holes & I have done so whats you point. Is this the best you can come out with.

bandos, try being honest with people, tell them whats involved, tell them all the costs involved, tell them the pluses & the minuses, its called being honest & ethical

Don't think this warrants an answer.... I have already posted honest answers, just so happens that you don't like to hear the truth
So you wont answer

bandos good luck with your business, I think theres some great guys/gals in Kleeneze. The business IMO is riddled with scumbags trying to preach & pray on honest people looking to earn a little bit to help.

The only person preaching on here is YOU!!!!!
See you Sunday then :rotfl:

IMO............You are the weakest link.........goodbye!

Actually NO I am a far better person than you because I do not resort to aggressive, sarcastic, or slanderous comments when I read a post that just happens to disagree with my own opinion. I am prepared to give others the opportunity to express their views, you my friend do not.... unless of course they are prepared to give in to a bully.
I'm sure you are/you think a much better person than I. Your opinion & no I dont think your my friend. keep going bandos. Keep putting the truth up here & if I dont agree I will reply. That is what forums were designed for.

Have you asked you upline how the companies actual sales figures are this year compared to last......I cant wait for this reply:rotfl:

Regards
John

C'mon bandos tell the truth....... simple question here just for you & one simple question only. Your retailing in Kleeneze.... you have been with them for near 5 years........ How are you dong year in year???

Regards
John

bandos2007

My guess tells me that your reply was written by your upline....IMO

All my own work, so your guess is wrong

Heat.......bring it on bandos let keep it real though shall we & if you want to debate about the pros & cons of this thread then please answer every question :T

Give me facts & figures bandos:rotfl:c'mon bandos you must do better I can only give you 3/10 so far

Don't really care what score you give me, its of no consequence

I'll agree or disagree just like I do with a respected poster such as pete you dont need to be a rocket scientist to work that out or anyone in Kleeneze with a reported near 5 years of experience or from someone that is probably nearing 50 years of age

Wrong again John.... no where near the mark

I certainly dont want you to go bandos, pls keep posting. :money:

Normally the holes get dug deeper & just like pete........left the thread ..........eventually but fantastic to have him popping in. :beer: Admitted that hes' 10% down on sales....an admittance that it isn't that great out there.

If he or you are earning a decent living out & after 5 years, great for you.

Thanks

I didn't need pete to tell me what his figures are as they are on/used to me on Gavin Scott's blogs which are in the public domian

Get anyone on here you like bandos, give it your best shot this is a platform for you bandos to tell us about the Kleeneze opportunity

Please dont come out with the same ol' rubbish that been posted before & can be openly read eleswhere on the WWW

IMO I have not posted rubbish, I have given facts that you don't happen to agree with, so as Pete says we will just have to agree to disagree

bandos2007

Originally Posted by bandos2007
If its a waste of time then what are you doing back on here bandos
:rotfl:

Are you of the female persuasion & always want the last word :rotfl: sorry ladies I couldn't resist that one

As for research......dont you think that this thread alone comes under that.

There are many other resources available for research...not just this thread, which seems to be inhabited by self opinionated think they know it all people like yourself.
Great..... bring to this thread some sites which are saying Kleeneze is brilliant then :rotfl:

A simple Google search should do the trick for you

While you haven't gone anywhere near answering any of my questions & everyone else you has said the same........answer the questions........

I have given answers to many of your questions if you care to read the posts, point is you don't like the answers I have given because they happen to differ from your views, so you keep stating that I have not answered any questions. You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own.
You've answered many but not all because you either cant wont or too scared....very typical
Don't have the time to answer them all, I have a living to make.

I think your very typical of every Kleeneze person anyone has ever come across. Thats not a slant on yiur goodself bandos that is a general observation which can be backed up by justing reading back through this thread alone.

And I think you will find that every Kleeneze person who has posted on this thread has given an honest opinion of the business, which you don't happen to like.... tough isn't it.
An honest opinion...you really are deluded or having a laugh aren't you???

You can think what you like.

My point being pete who has always through gritted teeth (Similar to these) has tried to be pretty up front in most of his replies & for that alone gets my respect, unfortuately bandos & imo you dont

Respect is a two way thing, you have not shown me one inkling since I first posted on the thread, you have done nothing but castigated every answer I have given. I on the other hand have tried to have an honest debate, however I am not prepared to be bullied by you or your ilk.
Respect is actually earned
So perhaps to need to earn some from me, after all its a two way thing


I will point out to you bandos that I do have the mental capability to understand a concept. I do understand how most MLM concepts work.

I find that very difficult to believe.
That doesn't surprise me bandos or whoever is writing this
Wrong again

Finally....well nearly finally bandos I do understand what you are trying to do......you're trying to recruit people just like pete does via this thread on this forum. Thats why pete has thanked you for one of your posts. Pete thanks all Kleeneze people for their posts. Thats his choice & good luck to him.

Sorry but you are wrong again, I found this thread by pure chance, I then read through some of the responses to the very first post, most of which were spouting rubbish, which I think if you check I mentioned in my first post, and tried to give some honest facts about the business. I am not using this as a vehicle to recruit anyone into the business because we are not team building, we earn our income through retail alone.
So facts are rubbish. I'll give you another one IMO 99.5% of peoples opinion of Kleeneze is rubbish. The other 0.5% dont
The facts that you and your cohorts post on here are rubbish. Just because you did not make a success of the business doesn't mean that nobody can!!

I've asked you to bring your uplines in this thread, all thats ever happened is someone went crying to the MD of Kleeneze. I dont think I need to bring my contact from Betterware on here do you. Seems even I & loads of other contributors to this thread can pick holes in the Kleeneze puzzle.

Actually no... you cannot pick holes in Kleeneze.... it is not a puzzle, just like Betterware it is a legitimate proven way of earning an income. Just because you didn't make a success of it, doesn't mean nobody else can, as several posters on this thread have informed you.
I can pick holes & I have done so whats you point. Is this the best you can come out with.
You like to think you have picked holes, but then as you are very self opinionated that is to be expected. Actually what you have done is show that you have an axe to grind because you failed at the business.

bandos, try being honest with people, tell them whats involved, tell them all the costs involved, tell them the pluses & the minuses, its called being honest & ethical

Don't think this warrants an answer.... I have already posted honest answers, just so happens that you don't like to hear the truth
So you wont answer
If there is anyone reading this debate who wants to find out more about the business and is genuinely interested, so that rules you out, they can google and find loads of informative websites that will explain how the business works.

bandos good luck with your business, I think theres some great guys/gals in Kleeneze. The business IMO is riddled with scumbags trying to preach & pray on honest people looking to earn a little bit to help.

The only person preaching on here is YOU!!!!!
See you Sunday then :rotfl:
No chance
IMO............You are the weakest link.........goodbye!

Actually NO I am a far better person than you because I do not resort to aggressive, sarcastic, or slanderous comments when I read a post that just happens to disagree with my own opinion. I am prepared to give others the opportunity to express their views, you my friend do not.... unless of course they are prepared to give in to a bully.
I'm sure you are/you think a much better person than I. Your opinion & no I dont think your my friend. keep going bandos. Keep putting the truth up here & if I dont agree I will reply. That is what forums were designed for.

Have you asked you upline how the companies actual sales figures are this year compared to last......I cant wait for this reply:rotfl:
I believe I answered this in an earlier post if you care to check, I do not keep up with the overall figures, I am showing an increase over last year and that is all that matters to me.

Regards
John

marchog

A Bware distributor gets about £8/hr. That they would rather work for £6/hr elsewhere says the job's got a downside. Any new starter will soon find it out. That's the worst time for money too - as you'll be taking over somewhere just after the last one quit and left in a sulk messing the area up. Kleeneze would be better to join in 1970-something when they went MLM.

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver

I wouldn't do either. I wish there were decent outfits out there who did personal sales outfits like Lakeland. Jamie Oliver anyone? random thought.

wongawonga

Kleeneze are now charging a 1.5 % fee to distributors who wish to pay by credit card.Apparently 20% of all payments are made by credit card.

Nice little earner for Kleeneze.

gordy2u

Hi everyone.
I would like to explain Betterware from my point of view and give my opinion on the pro's and con's of Betterware v Kleeneze. (I am a Betterware Coordinator)

• Betterware - No joining fee

• Kleeneze - Minumim of £80 joining fee which includes 50 books. (Info given to me by a Kleeneze sponsor on the 13th May 2011)

• Betterware - Free Catalogues. Usually you will get 80 - 120 as soon as you start.

• Kleeneze - You buy the catalogues (Not confirmed but I believe it is £35 per 50)

• Betterware - your own set area where no other distributor will operate.

• Kleeneze - you can go anywhere you want (often 2 or 3 distributors working same area)

• Betterware - Free delivery of the goods to you by the coordinator who will try to arrange a suitable time.

• Kleenze - Goods delivered by courier and I believe (not confirmed) you pay a delivery charge.

• Betterware - minimum 20% commission on sales

• Kleeneze - minimum 21% commission on sales.

• Betterware - you must cover your allocated area and have a minimum order as agreed between the distributor and coordinator.

• Kleeneze - Not sure about minimum order but can pick and choose how much they do.

Betterware
If a distributor does the job correctly and is willing to work at it they can make a good wage.
I start distributors on nearly a weekly basis and most dont last because they are not willing to work. It should take no longer than 1 hour to deliver 120+ books. To collect them should take no longer the 1.5 hours. (I am being very generous with the time scales).
Do this 3 times a week (7.5 hours) and once established a distributor could expect to have around £400 of sales = £80 commission (actual figures based on my area over the last 12 weeks)

Here are my time scales of what can be acheived:
Pack 50 books - 10 mins
Deliver 50 books - 20 mins
Collect 50 books - 30 mins
Pack the orders associated with 50 books - 5 mins
Deliver orders associated with 50 books - 10 mins.
Based on national average order value of £1.04 per book taking into account of books not collected 40*£1.04 = £41.60
Commission = £41.60*20%=£8.32 (75 mins work)

gordy2u

mitch161 wrote: »

as soon as i read the title kleeneze, betterware, avon i immedietly thought....... pyramid scheme.

they all say you make your money mainly from recruiting new people. its a pyramid.

if you just want to be a rep and not a recruiter think of the stuff these magazines sell and look at the shops and wholesalers who sell it cheaper. make a ebay site and just post leaflets through doors to your ebay shop.

become your own rep/distributor. be your own peak of the pyramid. theres more money that way.

i have sold shampoos that i bought for £1 which sell for £5 thats better commission then avon give

Why are you making FALSE statements?? You obviously do not know the FACTS. :mad:
Betterware do not make this claim - infact you cannot recruit if you are a Betterware distributor. You may recommend someone and if they start and place a total of £200 of orders then the referrer will be give a £15 thankyou cheque.