Kleeneeze or Betterware?

bandos2007

If its a waste of time then what are you doing back on here bandos
:rotfl:

Are you of the female persuasion & always want the last word :rotfl: sorry ladies I couldn't resist that one

As for research......dont you think that this thread alone comes under that.

There are many other resources available for research...not just this thread, which seems to be inhabited by self opinionated think they know it all people like yourself.

While you haven't gone anywhere near answering any of my questions & everyone else you has said the same........answer the questions........

I have given answers to many of your questions if you care to read the posts, point is you don't like the answers I have given because they happen to differ from your views, so you keep stating that I have not answered any questions. You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own.

I think your very typical of every Kleeneze person anyone has ever come across. Thats not a slant on yiur goodself bandos that is a general observation which can be backed up by justing reading back through this thread alone.

And I think you will find that every Kleeneze person who has posted on this thread has given an honest opinion of the business, which you don't happen to like.... tough isn't it.

My point being pete who has always through gritted teeth (Similar to these) has tried to be pretty up front in most of his replies & for that alone gets my respect, unfortuately bandos & imo you dont

Respect is a two way thing, you have not shown me one inkling since I first posted on the thread, you have done nothing but castigated every answer I have given. I on the other hand have tried to have an honest debate, however I am not prepared to be bullied by you or your ilk.

I will point out to you bandos that I do have the mental capability to understand a concept. I do understand how most MLM concepts work.

I find that very difficult to believe.

Finally....well nearly finally bandos I do understand what you are trying to do......you're trying to recruit people just like pete does via this thread on this forum. Thats why pete has thanked you for one of your posts. Pete thanks all Kleeneze people for their posts. Thats his choice & good luck to him.

Sorry but you are wrong again, I found this thread by pure chance, I then read through some of the responses to the very first post, most of which were spouting rubbish, which I think if you check I mentioned in my first post, and tried to give some honest facts about the business. I am not using this as a vehicle to recruit anyone into the business because we are not team building, we earn our income through retail alone.

I've asked you to bring your uplines in this thread, all thats ever happened is someone went crying to the MD of Kleeneze. I dont think I need to bring my contact from Betterware on here do you. Seems even I & loads of other contributors to this thread can pick holes in the Kleeneze puzzle.

Actually no... you cannot pick holes in Kleeneze.... it is not a puzzle, just like Betterware it is a legitimate proven way of earning an income. Just because you didn't make a success of it, doesn't mean nobody else can, as several posters on this thread have informed you.

bandos, try being honest with people, tell them whats involved, tell them all the costs involved, tell them the pluses & the minuses, its called being honest & ethical

Don't think this warrants an answer.... I have already posted honest answers, just so happens that you don't like to hear the truth

bandos good luck with your business, I think theres some great guys/gals in Kleeneze. The business IMO is riddled with scumbags trying to preach & pray on honest people looking to earn a little bit to help.

The only person preaching on here is YOU!!!!!

IMO............You are the weakest link.........goodbye!

Actually NO I am a far better person than you because I do not resort to aggressive, sarcastic, or slanderous comments when I read a post that just happens to disagree with my own opinion. I am prepared to give others the opportunity to express their views, you my friend do not.... unless of course they are prepared to give in to a bully.

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

If its a waste of time then what are you doing back on here bandos
:rotfl:

Are you of the female persuasion & always want the last word :rotfl: sorry ladies I couldn't resist that one

As for research......dont you think that this thread alone comes under that.

There are many other resources available for research...not just this thread, which seems to be inhabited by self opinionated think they know it all people like yourself.

While you haven't gone anywhere near answering any of my questions & everyone else you has said the same........answer the questions........

I have given answers to many of your questions if you care to read the posts, point is you don't like the answers I have given because they happen to differ from your views, so you keep stating that I have not answered any questions. You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own.

I think your very typical of every Kleeneze person anyone has ever come across. Thats not a slant on yiur goodself bandos that is a general observation which can be backed up by justing reading back through this thread alone.

And I think you will find that every Kleeneze person who has posted on this thread has given an honest opinion of the business, which you don't happen to like.... tough isn't it.

My point being pete who has always through gritted teeth (Similar to these) has tried to be pretty up front in most of his replies & for that alone gets my respect, unfortuately bandos & imo you dont

Respect is a two way thing, you have not shown me one inkling since I first posted on the thread, you have done nothing but castigated every answer I have given. I on the other hand have tried to have an honest debate, however I am not prepared to be bullied by you or your ilk.

I will point out to you bandos that I do have the mental capability to understand a concept. I do understand how most MLM concepts work.

I find that very difficult to believe.

Finally....well nearly finally bandos I do understand what you are trying to do......you're trying to recruit people just like pete does via this thread on this forum. Thats why pete has thanked you for one of your posts. Pete thanks all Kleeneze people for their posts. Thats his choice & good luck to him.

Sorry but you are wrong again, I found this thread by pure chance, I then read through some of the responses to the very first post, most of which were spouting rubbish, which I think if you check I mentioned in my first post, and tried to give some honest facts about the business. I am not using this as a vehicle to recruit anyone into the business because we are not team building, we earn our income through retail alone.

I've asked you to bring your uplines in this thread, all thats ever happened is someone went crying to the MD of Kleeneze. I dont think I need to bring my contact from Betterware on here do you. Seems even I & loads of other contributors to this thread can pick holes in the Kleeneze puzzle.

Actually no... you cannot pick holes in Kleeneze.... it is not a puzzle, just like Betterware it is a legitimate proven way of earning an income. Just because you didn't make a success of it, doesn't mean nobody else can, as several posters on this thread have informed you.

bandos, try being honest with people, tell them whats involved, tell them all the costs involved, tell them the pluses & the minuses, its called being honest & ethical

Don't think this warrants an answer.... I have already posted honest answers, just so happens that you don't like to hear the truth

bandos good luck with your business, I think theres some great guys/gals in Kleeneze. The business IMO is riddled with scumbags trying to preach & pray on honest people looking to earn a little bit to help.

The only person preaching on here is YOU!!!!!

IMO............You are the weakest link.........goodbye!

Actually NO I am a far better person than you because I do not resort to aggressive, sarcastic, or slanderous comments when I read a post that just happens to disagree with my own opinion. I am prepared to give others the opportunity to express their views, you my friend do not.... unless of course they are prepared to give in to a bully.

Regards
John

Thought you wern't coming back :rotfl:

Regards
John

missterryshopper

Bandos.

Why take your own advice " You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own."

bandos2007

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Thought you wern't coming back :rotfl:

Regards
John

Whats up Honest John? Can't take the heat, don't like conversing with anyone who won't give in to you? I did not say I wasn't coming back!!

bandos2007

missterryshopper wrote: »

Bandos.

Why take your own advice " You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own."

Sorry your post doesn't make any sense....

Bandos.

Why take your own advice " You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own."

I think you will find that I have not questioned anyone's point of view because the only questions I have asked were of Honest John to which he gave answers eventually, and you will also see that I have not disputed his answers.

wongawonga

missterryshopper wrote: »

Bandos.

Why take your own advice " You need to appreciate that this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to a point of view even if it differs from your own."

Excellent point its all right for him to have his say but he doesnt like others to EG i quote him which seems to be inhabited by self opinionated think they know it all people like yourself.

bandos2007

wongawonga wrote: »

Excellent point its all right for him to have his say but he doesnt like others to EG i quote him which seems to be inhabited by self opinionated think they know it all people like yourself.

I have offered an honest opinion of Kleeneze on this thread only for every question I have answered to be shot down in flames. Just because you don't agree with my answers doesn't make me self opinionated, I didn't have to answer the questions but I chose to in the interests of the original question. I have not castigated anyone, nor bullied anyone, nor taken an aggressive stance against any of the posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I have given mine, just so happens that you and your cohorts do not like to see anything posted that you do not agree with.

So wongawonga why not tell us about your experiences with either of the two companies asked about by the original poster. Have you been or are you a distributor with either of them ?

petestan

OldGreyFox wrote: »

Who are the few others Pete. Only John seems to post in favour of Betterware. The other recent posters seem to think Kleeneze posters are being economical with the truth about potential earnings,or that they wouldnt buy the tat that is sold by them.:D

Fair enough I just got a bit carried away with that one although Betterware does seem to get an easier ride than Kleeneze.

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Thanks OGF I cant recall any/many other pro Betterware people coming on here, shame really we could've had a really good debate as this thread up until recently was dormant. Then only ones making themselves visable are people who have tried Kleeneze as far as I can work out

Sorry if I've called you a liar pete I can only think of the 10% books loss figure which I totally disagree with of late

I have now read through the squidoo site link which was put up by billsavings makes horrific one sided reading BUT pls feel free to use this thread as platform to direct me/others to some good stuff about Kleeneze :money:

I have never said It was you who went crying to the MD of Kleeneze as this is an open forum it is open to any viewers probably just a coincidence then

I will however tell you what I write are facts & yes as you put his name up Jamie did make contact with the MD of Betterware complaining about my facts so YES you have got that wrong BUT he probably hadn't got much to do that day then

You said your doing quite well in Kleeneze go & get someone on here who can have a debate with me/anyone pete I'll thank them if that makes you feel better if they come out with anything sensible that hasn't been said before

I think or I'd like to think that what I write is the truth & there's no need to debate it BUT please feel free to challenge anything I write.

One reason is I could be right. Another reason could be I know probably more about the business than they do. As bandos said let the readers decide. If the admin do not wanting me posting then they have the right to block me.

I am/can be an old women or so I've been told so maybe YES I WANT THAT LAST WORD:rotfl:

Over to you pete :rotfl:

Have a lovely weekend!

Regards
Honest John
The Seeker of Truth & Justice

Cheers John, I guess we'll agree to disagree. :rotfl:

mitch161

this thread keeps making me laugh.

quotes like "i dont like to lose catalogues as they lose me money"

strange... argos gives their catalogues away for free yet a company with no employees "parsay no travel costs or income tax to worry about.....
just commission so why are they actually charging for books.

seriously fleecing tactics here.
argos books are 12 times thicker then kleeneze (12 times production costs)

a tip to anyone doing this. if you regularly go into town every week list all of the shops you go into on a regular bases, and then select a few common products you think are great. make your own catalue and start selling them direct. poundland has a lot of bargains. you can even sell sweets cans of drinks .. anything you think some of the elderly neighbours that cant get out of the house would like delivered to them with there standard kleeneze run.

even fill out a questionaire about what shops people would like to get stuff from their local kleenze rep. saving the customer finding transport getting into town themselves.

why waste time going door to door for just one company when you can do much more.

i know someone that while going door to door she also has customers food shopping/perscriptions with them too and charges them a few quid for the delivery. customers love it as it saves them ordering a taxi to go to the pharmacy/shop.

many many idea's can work along side kleeneze, seeing as your going to the customers house anyway, why limit yourself. plus the regular visit of other goods helps the customer stay loyal to want to by the odd bit from kleeneze too

some people know families with kids dont like buying the kids sweets at 60p for a marsbar. but reps go to supermarkets and buy the multipacks which i have seen 4 kitkats for £1 (25p) and sell them for 30p customers end up buying 7 of them. one for each day of week and customers feel they are getting 7 for the price of 4.

if you like cooking/baking design a menu of cakes and biscuits to sell to customers door to door.
if you are into housework offer to pick up customers clothes and do a personal laundry service (wash and iron).

many many idea's can be added to the home shopping personal shopper idea. dont limit self to kleeneze, it wont last

bandos2007

strange... argos gives their catalogues away for free yet a company with no employees "parsay no travel costs or income tax to worry about.....
just commission so why are they actually charging for books.

Kleeneze is a different business model to Argos.

Re the rest of the post, if you want to do an elderly customer a favour then by all means take their bins in for example, but in my opinion why would you want to go to all the trouble shopping around for stuff to sell on when you have your own shops (catalogues)