Kleeneeze or Betterware?

geordie_joe

gordy2u wrote: »

I start distributors on nearly a weekly basis and most dont last because they are not willing to work.

This tells me one thing, you are more interested in recruiting others than selling yourself. Because recruiting is where the money is.

You say they don't last because they are not willing to work. But the reality is the orders dry up very quickly and they simply give up.

So you have to recruit another person to take their place, about one a week according to you.

The reason why you recruit is because you have learned that there is no regular money in putting books through doors, but there is money in recruiting other people and taking a cut of what they make until they realise there is no regular income from it. Then you just move on to the next [STRIKE]mug[/STRIKE] recruit.

Luke_Zaine

With all these types of businesses, there is only really 1 level that wins and makes money. The parent company.
Personally, I have seen many go down this path but it never pays off. With easy access to online shopping and site such as Ebay, door to door sale are a thing of the past.

I would look at going into affiliate marketing. Harder to get started for sure but with the right products and know how, you can make it succeed.
I use products found in Clickbank but use a Firefox plugin that helps find the real fast selling products.
As a new user I am not allowed to post links but I would be happy to email anyone the link to the plugin if they PM me.

lisyloo

The area I operate is mainly terraced housing and the catalogue delivery timescales are based on that.

Yep, that sounds right.
But I think others would have to realise that if they operate in a less densely packed area that it would take longer.
Not saying that's an issue - lots of people could do with the exercise :-)
Just saying it's not going to extrapolate for everyone.

lisyloo

Speaking as a potential customer of Betterware, Kleeneze or Avon - my opinion would be none are better.

Well I quite like Avon (no connection).
Their products are well priced if you shop sensibly i.e. buy when it's half price, but still good quality - so for example shampoo for £1.
Some of their products have won awards.
You can also send any of it back no quibble - so if you don't like the colour of a lipstick you've tried you can return it. I've returned a few things and the reps have been lovely.
There isn't anywhere else where you can return makeup to my knowledge.

The stuff in the Keeeneze catalogue looks overpriced and I'd rather shop at Lakeland than go to Betterware/Kleeneze.
Lakeland aren't cheap but they also do no quibble returns and their stuff tends to be high quality.

Peter_Pan

I can put out 100 brochures (not Betterware or Kleeneze) on foot in just over an hour and thats time walking to where i have got to in the village and getting back home on foot. I think the main difference between Kleeneze and Betterware is you can build a residual income with Kleeneze and other similar Companies, in both cases if you have to stop retailing for any reason the income stops. With Betterware you can't really call yourself your own boss and choose when and where to work and once you have dropped your Betterware brochures thats it until you collect them with other Companies you can put more brochures out if you choose or do some lead generating activities to move the Business .
It all depends what you are looking for and tbh in the current economic climate i would be trying to do omething about the future. The way i look at it we all have 24hrs a day, take out 7 hrs sleeping that leaves 17hrs, do we all work 17 hrs? theres oodles of time we could all be doing something to make the future better. I know what i have chosen and i'm happier, have more energy and enjoying the journey.

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Welcome Gordy2u, a couple of things though:

Yes you do buy the catalogues with Kleeneze but as a new starter in you place orders over a certain amount you get free boxes of catalogues from the company.

Kleeneze is 21% commission but you also get a bonus payment on top depending upon your volume of orders you place within a 4 week period.

Delivery is free for orders over £250, or if your a new starter lower in your 1st month.

Nice to read you have the same problems with new starters.

Hi pete

:rotfl:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

shirleymarye wrote: »

I used to do Betterwear many years ago,I started with one area which wasn't on my doorstep,had to use the car to get there, and then proceeded to take on another two areas further afield as our recruiter thought we were doing OK and said we could earn more in a new area,helped with my OH by the way. It was hard work delivering catalogues,about 400 in the end and then collecting them,going round twice to collect the stragglers,we then had to collect the orders and take them home to sort them out and then deliver them to people,some times they weren't in and we had to go back again and some times a third time. Some times they didn't have the money and could we call back and some times they had changed their mind and didn't want the stuff. We did it for about 6 months before packing it in,it was really hard work for 2 of us and by the time we got our commission it really wasn't worth it. I think if you only want to make a little money and you like walking in all weathers and it keeps you fit of course then by all means try it. After reading these messages I think Betterwear is the better company to work for. The books were free and no hidden charges.In the end I went back to an office job for a rest!

Great post shirleymarye

Regards
John

wongawonga

News from Kleeneze Accrington Head Office. The call centre that takes distributors orders is to be closed on Saturdays due to falling demand.

Honest_John_666

If a distributor does the job correctly and is willing to work at it they can make a good wage.
I start distributors on nearly a weekly basis and most dont last because they are not willing to work. It should take no longer than 1 hour to deliver 120+ books. To collect them should take no longer the 1.5 hours. (I am being very generous with the time scales).
Do this 3 times a week (7.5 hours) and once established a distributor could expect to have around £400 of sales = £80 commission (actual figures based on my area over the last 12 weeks)

Here are my time scales of what can be acheived:
Pack 50 books - 10 mins
Deliver 50 books - 20 mins
Collect 50 books - 30 mins
Pack the orders associated with 50 books - 5 mins
Deliver orders associated with 50 books - 10 mins.
Based on national average order value of £1.04 per book taking into account of books not collected 40*£1.04 = £41.60
Commission = £41.60*20%=£8.32 (75 mins work)
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Cant agree with your timings here unless the whole of your area is full of terraced houses ??? You from teh valleys by any chance???

In you opionion gordy2u what is the main reason that new agents quit???

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

wongawonga wrote: »

News from Kleeneze Accrington Head Office. The call centre that takes distributors orders is to be closed on Saturdays due to falling demand.

Do ypu hate Kleeneze as much as me wongawonga

Regards
John