Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

It now seems to me that this thread is a complete waste of time as it is populated by ex Kleeneze distributors who did not have the mental capability to understand a simple concept, or the ability to follow a system, or never have been Kleeneze distributors who think they know all about the business, and who both get some perverse pleasure out of castigating and abusing anyone who should dare to attempt to show the other side of the story.

For the outsider reading this thread who might be considering joining either Betterware or Kleeneze please do your own research, find out what each business has to offer you and make your own decision.

:eek: Crikey..... 58 posts to come out with some sense :rotfl: there's even hope for my goodself yet

opppsss sorry is that scarastic :eek: appologies to you :A good luck with your dream seeking :rotfl: just think.........if you work 1 hour for Kleeneze you'll just have enough profit to pay £1 off those credit card bills you have :rotfl:

Best of luck bandos

Regards
John

lisyloo

How far would you expect an agent to travel to get this/any level of decent/half decent business???

It depends on a number of factors.
But if you want a number, I wouldn't have thought this kind of business would justify travelling more than 10 miles exclusively for the business.

A smart person would combine it with other trips they were making anyway (like dropping the kids off at school) so that the "cost" of the trip is zero.

Honest_John_666

lisyloo wrote: »

It depends on a number of factors.
But if you want a number, I wouldn't have thought this kind of business would justify travelling more than 10 miles exclusively for the business.

A smart person would combine it with other trips they were making anyway (like dropping the kids off at school) so that the "cost" of the trip is zero.

Tough one really as it depends on lots of factors

The only definate fact I can give everyone is there was someone called on someone I know that came from a good & I mean a good 30 mins away.

Said he was blanket dropping in the area he had aleady some customers in so as you say out there while he was doing some other work.

So this particaular person was covering an area 30 mins away from where he lived :eek:

Regards
John

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi wongawonga

I haven't got time to read all the comments on that site at present & as I always say on an open forum you sometimes have to read between the lines

Notice I've asked pete twice how his sales are going & twice no reply



Regards
John

You haven't got time to read all the comments but you expect me to reply in great detail about my sales within a couple of hours of your posting. I have a job to do and I don't keep my accounts sat by the side of the computer just to answer your questions.
Year on year I would guess, and it is a guess, my sales are down around 10% which considering the state of the economy I am happy with, after all half the shops on the high street are struggling.

This is why I stopped posting last time because you expect detailed answers yet I don't see any Betterware agents coming on here giving us any detailed answers to questions.
All we get is your "Mate" who is supposedly "High up" in the company giving you some answers which you gleefully pass onto us as if they are 100% proven.

Why does he not come on here and post himself what's he afraid of, there have been at least 3 or 4 kleeneze distributors who have given detailed answers to questions you and others have asked yet you still say we are all lying.
I don't know why I bother.

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

You haven't got time to read all the comments but you expect me to reply in great detail about my sales within a couple of hours of your posting. I have a job to do and I don't keep my accounts sat by the side of the computer just to answer your questions.
Year on year I would guess, and it is a guess, my sales are down around 10% which considering the state of the economy I am happy with, after all half the shops on the high street are struggling.

This is why I stopped posting last time because you expect detailed answers yet I don't see any Betterware agents coming on here giving us any detailed answers to questions.
All we get is your "Mate" who is supposedly "High up" in the company giving you some answers which you gleefully pass onto us as if they are 100% proven.

Why does he not come on here and post himself what's he afraid of, there have been at least 3 or 4 kleeneze distributors who have given detailed answers to questions you and others have asked yet you still say we are all lying.
I don't know why I bother.

Guten Morgen pete

I'm up with the larks & looking forward to another beautiful sunny british day

I was actually refering to the squid site which on the face of it has some Kleeneze people with a lot of experience all saying its basically rubbish & going downhill faster than Eddie the Eagle did

Appolgies pete I saw your little green button on....... which to me means your online but........ obviousley you weren't

Sounds like your doing OK then pete with your sales only 10 % down. I dont think you cant really compare what sales other shops are doing as quite a few of them are up actually year on year

Hows the recruitment figures pete I would've thought with more & more people looking to earn a 2nd income that more & more people would be joining up??? Did the ASA have something to do with that???

My mate "HIGH UP" in Betterware doesn't come on forums & yes I think your right I also wonder why other Betterware people dont come onto these type of forums. I suppose the only positive I could slant on that is........at least there not plauging nearly every media outlet saying how fantastic Betterware is are they!!!

Talking about Betterware did you read my piece of how My mate "HIGH UP" in Betterware got asked if he was me on the forum. Yes he told me that he had a very very brief conversation with his boss person that someone has complained to Kleeneze about little ol Honest John posting on this MSE thread. MY GUESS is........ the person who complained to their upline, complained to their upline & the MD of Kleeneze called the MD of Betterware. Now please tell me if I'm wrong here..........senses tell me that If I'd posted something untrue then I would've been told so???

IMO as Honest John how pathetic does that make this company. Now lets take this a stage further who was I having banter with..........OH YES IT WAS YOU:rotfl:

Yes of course pete I know what your going to come back with & yes of course no one can ever really prove 100% what I'm saying is correct BUT that is exactly the same with you my ol dear adversary

I'm back for the summer only

Regards & best wishes pete you are a good guy :beer:

Right then.......wheres bandos :rotfl:

Regards
John

bandos2007

Right then.......wheres bandos :rotfl:

It now seems to me that this thread is a complete waste of time as it is populated by ex Kleeneze distributors who did not have the mental capability to understand a simple concept, or the ability to follow a system, or never have been Kleeneze distributors who think they know all about the business, and someone who calls himself Honest John 666 who thinks he knows it all and has an answer for everything but answers nothing if you read the posts in this thread and who all get some perverse pleasure out of castigating and abusing anyone who should dare to attempt to show the other side of the story.

For the outsider reading this thread who might be considering joining either Betterware or Kleeneze please do your own research, find out what each business has to offer you and make your own decision.

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

It now seems to me that this thread is a complete waste of time as it is populated by ex Kleeneze distributors who did not have the mental capability to understand a simple concept, or the ability to follow a system, or never have been Kleeneze distributors who think they know all about the business, and someone who calls himself Honest John 666 who thinks he knows it all and has an answer for everything but answers nothing if you read the posts in this thread and who all get some perverse pleasure out of castigating and abusing anyone who should dare to attempt to show the other side of the story.

For the outsider reading this thread who might be considering joining either Betterware or Kleeneze please do your own research, find out what each business has to offer you and make your own decision.

If its a waste of time then what are you doing back on here bandos
:rotfl:

Are you of the female persuasion & always want the last word :rotfl: sorry ladies I couldn't resist that one

As for research......dont you think that this thread alone comes under that.

While you haven't gone anywhere near answering any of my questions & everyone else you has said the same........answer the questions........ I think your very typical of every Kleeneze person anyone has ever come across. Thats not a slant on yiur goodself bandos that is a general observation which can be backed up by justing reading back through this thread alone.

My point being pete who has always through gritted teeth (Similar to these) has tried to be pretty up front in most of his replies & for that alone gets my respect, unfortuately bandos & imo you dont

I will point out to you bandos that I do have the mental capability to understand a concept. I do understand how most MLM concepts work.

Finally....well nearly finally bandos I do understand what you are trying to do......you're trying to recruit people just like pete does via this thread on this forum. Thats why pete has thanked you for one of your posts. Pete thanks all Kleeneze people for their posts. Thats his choice & good luck to him.

I've asked you to bring your uplines in this thread, all thats ever happened is someone went crying to the MD of Kleeneze. I dont think I need to bring my contact from Betterware on here do you. Seems even I & loads of other contributors to this thread can pick holes in the Kleeneze puzzle.

bandos, try being honest with people, tell them whats involved, tell them all the costs involved, tell them the pluses & the minuses, its called being honest & ethical

bandos good luck with your business, I think theres some great guys/gals in Kleeneze. The business IMO is riddled with scumbags trying to preach & pray on honest people looking to earn a little bit to help.

IMO............You are the weakest link.........goodbye!

Regards
John

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Guten Morgen pete

I'm up with the larks & looking forward to another beautiful sunny british day

I was actually refering to the squid site which on the face of it has some Kleeneze people with a lot of experience all saying its basically rubbish & going downhill faster than Eddie the Eagle did

Appolgies pete I saw your little green button on....... which to me means your online but........ obviousley you weren't

Sounds like your doing OK then pete with your sales only 10 % down. I dont think you cant really compare what sales other shops are doing as quite a few of them are up actually year on year

Hows the recruitment figures pete I would've thought with more & more people looking to earn a 2nd income that more & more people would be joining up??? Did the ASA have something to do with that???

My mate "HIGH UP" in Betterware doesn't come on forums & yes I think your right I also wonder why other Betterware people dont come onto these type of forums. I suppose the only positive I could slant on that is........at least there not plauging nearly every media outlet saying how fantastic Betterware is are they!!!

Talking about Betterware did you read my piece of how My mate "HIGH UP" in Betterware got asked if he was me on the forum. Yes he told me that he had a very very brief conversation with his boss person that someone has complained to Kleeneze about little ol Honest John posting on this MSE thread. MY GUESS is........ the person who complained to their upline, complained to their upline & the MD of Kleeneze called the MD of Betterware. Now please tell me if I'm wrong here..........senses tell me that If I'd posted something untrue then I would've been told so???

IMO as Honest John how pathetic does that make this company. Now lets take this a stage further who was I having banter with..........OH YES IT WAS YOU:rotfl:

Yes of course pete I know what your going to come back with & yes of course no one can ever really prove 100% what I'm saying is correct BUT that is exactly the same with you my ol dear adversary

I'm back for the summer only

Regards & best wishes pete you are a good guy :beer:

Right then.......wheres bandos :rotfl:

Regards
John

So John, not only am I a liar along with every other Kleeneze distributor that comes on this thread, either that or we are all trying like mad to recruit everyone on here (despite me removing my website from my profile so you cannot accuse me of that), I am also a person that goes crying to Jamie Stewart every time someone says something I don't like asking him to complain to the MD of Betterware.

I am sure he has got far better things to be doing that to be ringing the MD of another company complaining about something on a public forum said by someone who is no longer in either company.

As I have said previously I do NOT know Bandos2007, to my knowledge I do not have any connection to him as I have no idea who he is in Kleeneze and with that user name I doubt I would be able find out if I wanted to, but he is entitled to his opinion.

Yes I did thank Bandos2007 as someone on here has to put the Kleeneze point of view and he is one of very few who is willing to do so. You and a few others on this thread seem to want it to be a complete whitewash in favour of Betterware and shout down anyone who dares to disagree with you but the thread title is Kleeneze OR Betterware NOT Betterware is the greatest business ever because of these reasons.
Besides there have been plenty of your fellow posters who also don't want any debate thanking you, so why should I not thank someone who is putting the point of view that I agree with.

You say to Bandos he wants the last word I think you are sadly mistaken there, it's you who wants the last word on everything posted, Pete. :rotfl:

PS The reason the green light was on is sometimes I leave the browser open even though I am not in the house.

OldGreyFox

petestan wrote: »

You and a few others on this thread seem to want it to be a complete whitewash in favour of Betterware and shout down anyone who dares to disagree with you

Who are the few others Pete. Only John seems to post in favour of Betterware. The other recent posters seem to think Kleeneze posters are being economical with the truth about potential earnings,or that they wouldnt buy the tat that is sold by them.:D

Honest_John_666

OldGreyFox wrote: »

Who are the few others Pete. Only John seems to post in favour of Betterware. The other recent posters seem to think Kleeneze posters are being economical with the truth about potential earnings,or that they wouldnt buy the tat that is sold by them.:D

Thanks OGF I cant recall any/many other pro Betterware people coming on here, shame really we could've had a really good debate as this thread up until recently was dormant. Then only ones making themselves visable are people who have tried Kleeneze as far as I can work out

Sorry if I've called you a liar pete I can only think of the 10% books loss figure which I totally disagree with of late

I have now read through the squidoo site link which was put up by billsavings makes horrific one sided reading BUT pls feel free to use this thread as platform to direct me/others to some good stuff about Kleeneze :money:

I have never said It was you who went crying to the MD of Kleeneze as this is an open forum it is open to any viewers probably just a coincidence then

I will however tell you what I write are facts & yes as you put his name up Jamie did make contact with the MD of Betterware complaining about my facts so YES you have got that wrong BUT he probably hadn't got much to do that day then

You said your doing quite well in Kleeneze go & get someone on here who can have a debate with me/anyone pete I'll thank them if that makes you feel better if they come out with anything sensible that hasn't been said before

I think or I'd like to think that what I write is the truth & there's no need to debate it BUT please feel free to challenge anything I write.

One reason is I could be right. Another reason could be I know probably more about the business than they do. As bandos said let the readers decide. If the admin do not wanting me posting then they have the right to block me.

I am/can be an old women or so I've been told so maybe YES I WANT THAT LAST WORD:rotfl:

Over to you pete :rotfl:

Have a lovely weekend!

Regards
Honest John
The Seeker of Truth & Justice