Kleeneeze or Betterware?

wongawonga

Posted by a Kleeneze rep here http://www.squidoo.com/why-kleeneze-can-make-you-cry recently

" In just a few short years Kleeneze have halved the number of distributors at the level of Gold or above.

"Findel's financial report a few weeks back quoted Kleeneze having 12,000 distributors. With a Gold distributor averaging about £1200 monthly income (if not doing a crippling amount of personal retail), then there are only 3% of distributors earning a 'decent' monthly income.

When the business is heavily pushed as something really easy that you can work part time to give you a substantial residual income, 3% of people in Kleeneze earning £1200+ doesn't seem to correlate.

For a company which has been going 88yrs and is trading in 4 different countries with millions of potential distributors, 400 seems a bit pants."

More evidence that business is not booming and the chances of earning decent money is unlikely.

Honest_John_666

wongawonga wrote: »

Posted by a Kleeneze rep here http://www.squidoo.com/why-kleeneze-can-make-you-cry recently

" In just a few short years Kleeneze have halved the number of distributors at the level of Gold or above.

"Findel's financial report a few weeks back quoted Kleeneze having 12,000 distributors. With a Gold distributor averaging about £1200 monthly income (if not doing a crippling amount of personal retail), then there are only 3% of distributors earning a 'decent' monthly income.

When the business is heavily pushed as something really easy that you can work part time to give you a substantial residual income, 3% of people in Kleeneze earning £1200+ doesn't seem to correlate.

For a company which has been going 88yrs and is trading in 4 different countries with millions of potential distributors, 400 seems a bit pants."

More evidence that business is not booming and the chances of earning decent money is unlikely.

Hi wongawonga

I haven't got time to read all the comments on that site at present & as I always say on an open forum you sometimes have to read between the lines

BUT not everyone can be wrong I reckon the only ones going forward are the ones who give out the BS

Notice I've asked pete twice how his sales are going & twice no reply

I really hope that there are people out there reading this thread & give Kleeneze a massive swerve. I'm not saying that you cant earn money with them, I'm just saying I wish that they would all be honest & upfront about everything.

I think this thread has been mentioned on that site too :rotfl:

Regards
John

bandos2007

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

bandos...... my suggestions are to read back over the 600 odd replies in this thread you will find for my answers to your questions.

Pity you cant answer mine or anyone else's though :beer:

Good luck

Regards
John

Sorry mate I can read just fine, seems like your memory has gone though.

Let me see has Honest John answered the questions I put to him.... not today... not in any post on this thread.. that's unless you know different and can advise what post number he answered them on...

bandos2007

wongawonga wrote: »

Recent comment by distributor on official Kleeneze site.


" Someone kindly collected one side of a street for me today. love to catch the thief ."

I'll try again.... so which official kleeneze site is that then?

bandos2007

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

I was pointing out to the previous person how much it is per book to purchase new books or so I have been told sorry for the confusion

You are quoting back to me Kleenezes supposed book price spend which should actually made up of how many catalogues picked up

So lets run this through

I buy a kit costing me £175 with 200 cats

I put out blind these 200 cats & I get back 150

At yours & the figure Kleeneze quoted I would pick up £150 in sales

Are you with me so far as I beleive if I can get all this £150 in sales (yes you do have out of stock problems) & if I get all the goods delivered back to the customers I would get back a £30 return

Thats great!!!

BUT WAIT..........

Now do I put out these 150 cats blind into another area???

Do I have to buy another 50 cats for is it.....£25 or £30???

It is cost me £10 to get this £150 delivery???

It will cost me £7.50 to use the ordering system!!!

Have I missed anything???

Oh yes........ Do I have to pay for all these goods up front???

I have an item thats turned up broken, how do I return this???

Do I get an instant credit for this broken item???

Do you wish me to go on????

As my 'ol mate Bamber would say (RIP)........your starter for 10 bando2007

Cant wait for the reply as I'm just getting warmed up today :rotfl:

Let the readers decide

Regards
John

Have I missed anything???

Yes the opportunity to answer the questions that I have put to you. I have answered the majority of the questions put to me, and I have asked less than a handful of questions about your experience with Kleeneze, so perhaps you could give me some answers.

Cheers

bandos2007

niftyone wrote: »

Why dont you answer posters recent questions ?

Waiting for Honest John to answer just 3 questions I put to him. Why should I continue to answer questions if he will not respond to my questions put to him.

bandos2007

Pity you cant answer mine or anyone else's though :beer:

Think you will find I have answered most of the questions if you care to read through all the postings.... you don't seem to answer questions though

Honest_John_666

Hi bandos2007

Thanks for all the comments you have written in the last few days, you have really shown all that can be possibly reading this thread that if you are the quality of person that gives 5 years to Kleeneze then we can all realise why sales are going backwards.

Good luck to you, your lifestyle & paying back your credit cards at the minimum £1 per month:eek:

To answers your questions

When did you join?
Approx 2002

How long were you a distributor?
5 years

Who was your upline ?
A couple called Paul & Chris

Does this help you???


Regards
John

bandos2007

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi bandos2007

Thanks for all the comments you have written in the last few days, you have really shown all that can be possibly reading this thread that if you are the quality of person that gives 5 years to Kleeneze then we can all realise why sales are going backwards.

Good luck to you, your lifestyle & paying back your credit cards at the minimum £1 per month:eek:

To answers your questions

When did you join?
Approx 2002

How long were you a distributor?
5 years

Who was your upline ?
A couple called Paul & Chris

Does this help you???


Regards
John

that if you are the quality of person that gives 5 years to Kleeneze then we can all realise why sales are going backwards.

Not only are you aggressive, condescending, and by your own words sarcastic, but now you resort to slanderous comments about my character, I will thank you to apologise!!!

bandos2007

It now seems to me that this thread is a complete waste of time as it is populated by ex Kleeneze distributors who did not have the mental capability to understand a simple concept, or the ability to follow a system, or never have been Kleeneze distributors who think they know all about the business, and who both get some perverse pleasure out of castigating and abusing anyone who should dare to attempt to show the other side of the story.

For the outsider reading this thread who might be considering joining either Betterware or Kleeneze please do your own research, find out what each business has to offer you and make your own decision.