Kleeneeze or Betterware?

ColinFishwick

I think they were wrong, they may have tried to collect one side of the street, however the catalogues weren't there, they were in the place where they belong in the bin

wongawonga wrote: »

Recent comment by distributor on official Kleeneze site.


" Someone kindly collected one side of a street for me today. love to catch the thief ."

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

Your opinion!!

My opinion: £1 per book is the average. Most distributors are ethical and may pick up a book in error but very rarely does it happen intentionally and then it can be sorted out. And I have never heard of anyone being physically abused.

Let the readers judge for themselves who to believe.

I was pointing out to the previous person how much it is per book to purchase new books or so I have been told sorry for the confusion

You are quoting back to me Kleenezes supposed book price spend which should actually made up of how many catalogues picked up

So lets run this through

I buy a kit costing me £175 with 200 cats

I put out blind these 200 cats & I get back 150

At yours & the figure Kleeneze quoted I would pick up £150 in sales

Are you with me so far as I beleive if I can get all this £150 in sales (yes you do have out of stock problems) & if I get all the goods delivered back to the customers I would get back a £30 return

Thats great!!!

BUT WAIT..........

Now do I put out these 150 cats blind into another area???

Do I have to buy another 50 cats for is it.....£25 or £30???

It is cost me £10 to get this £150 delivery???

It will cost me £7.50 to use the ordering system!!!

Have I missed anything???

Oh yes........ Do I have to pay for all these goods up front???

I have an item thats turned up broken, how do I return this???

Do I get an instant credit for this broken item???

Do you wish me to go on????

As my 'ol mate Bamber would say (RIP)........your starter for 10 bando2007

Cant wait for the reply as I'm just getting warmed up today :rotfl:

Let the readers decide

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

You have a very condescending and aggressive tone which advertises to anyone reading this thread for advice on the pro's and cons of Betterware and Kleeneze that you obviously have a grudge to bear against the latter. Anyone with any sense will therefore take little notice of your comments and would be best advised to seek advice elsewhere.

Thanks bandos I try my best to have a sarcastic tone BUT I'm certainly not agressive. Please except my appolgies if you feel that way, it was certainly not my attention

You do however have a thread to use as platform to tell us the pro's & cons of Kleeneze.

Please feel free to come out with anything you like, please do not take offence if people do not believe anything you write though as that is their opinion & you are correct people should make their own mind up on the thread which is Kleeneze or Betterware

Please could you also direct your upline & their upline to this thread to give me some more banter & I will as always give my honest view


I will say as I have done before I have had first hand knowledge of Kleeneze & I say not physically BUT was abused on more than one occasion. I will also say I reported this to Kleeneze direct who didn't even call me back......great company!!!

Yes I do have an axe to grind with the company & not individuals such as your good self. Good luck to you & your choosen path

I will try for you & get Gavin Scott to come on this thread although his actual written English is not to clever I know.........a bit like mine at times........wheres the spell checker :rotfl:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

There you go again.... even more evidence that you have got it in for Kleeneze... can you imagine anyone working for less than £1 per hour?

I personally couldn't BUT from what I & this thread can work out YES people in Kleeneze do /have/continue to earn £1 per hour & less

Over to you

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

I have already given you my honest take on Kleeneze, If I were not making an income I would have quit years ago, why would anyone want to continue with a business if they were losing money. I am making an income therefore I am happy running my business.

I'm sooooo glad you making an income & good luck to you bandos.

Unfortunatley there are sooooo many scumbags out there in the UK today trying to recruit into their own Kleeneze business & are simply preying on honest people.

Do you believe this statement as a fact in general???

I dont think anyone on this latest thread has said your were loosing money



I do not intend to provide you with the figures you asked for, because you obviously have no interest in joining the business, and you will simply twist them round so that you can get whatever pleasure you derive from posting derogatory remarks about what is an ethical business opportunity.

Personally I dont need your your figures as with you & most people in Kleeneze they do not ever tell the truth & do not know the differnece between gross & net profit

How can you make any assumptions about anyone. If I thought Kleeneze was half & I really mean half as good as the adverts say I would be with them.

Are you saying you only keep coming on this thread with a hope of saying how fantastic Kleeneze is??? So you are recruiting by keep coming on this thread

I'm sorry from mine & from what I can work out 99.5% of the UK do not see the Kleeneze opportunity as an ethical business opportinity. This is my opinion.

The pleasure I get & will continue to get is if I can stop any person from joining this company, through sharing my opinions & first hand knowledge, I will have saved this person/people from beintg sucked into an a compnay with such a bad reputaion as Kleeneze.....IMO :money:

Over to you bandos :rotfl:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

ColinFishwick wrote: »

I think they were wrong, they may have tried to collect one side of the street, however the catalogues weren't there, they were in the place where they belong in the bin

Colin.......where did they dig you up from :rotfl:

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

I was pointing out to the previous person how much it is per book to purchase new books or so I have been told sorry for the confusion

You are quoting back to me Kleenezes supposed book price spend which should actually made up of how many catalogues picked up

So lets run this through

I buy a kit costing me £175 with 200 cats

I put out blind these 200 cats & I get back 150

At yours & the figure Kleeneze quoted I would pick up £150 in sales

Are you with me so far as I beleive if I can get all this £150 in sales (yes you do have out of stock problems) & if I get all the goods delivered back to the customers I would get back a £30 return

Thats great!!!

BUT WAIT..........

Now do I put out these 150 cats blind into another area???

Yes, why not? You would get more than the 150 cat's back, yes you would lose a few say 10 - 20 but the majority you would get back, those you can't get back or who have thrown them out you do NOT go back to those houses next time around.
Although it may take you a few times to catch someone in at some houses, if you have paid for them you will want to get them back (Holidays, working away during the week or empty houses), how many will Betterware lose just because the distributor can't be bothered to go back for the cat's, (that's the way they work so I'm not having a go).

Do I have to buy another 50 cats for is it.....£25 or £30???

£32 and yes but as a new starter you get free boxes of 50 cat's off the company if you put in orders over a certain amount during your 1st couple of months.

It is cost me £10 to get this £150 delivery???

Yes normally, but they do give free delivery to new distributors for the 1st month over a certain amount (I think it's £150 but can't remember may be less).

It will cost me £7.50 to use the ordering system!!!

For the month not per order.

Have I missed anything???


Oh yes........ Do I have to pay for all these goods up front???

No everyone gets a credit account now.

I have an item thats turned up broken, how do I return this???

Once a month you send your returns back with the carrier when you get your order delivered.

Do I get an instant credit for this broken item???

Yes if you want to, I personally wait until I am sending my items back and then process them all at once it's personal choice.
I have answered all of these questions for you before John.




Do you wish me to go on????

As my 'ol mate Bamber would say (RIP)........your starter for 10 bando2007

Cant wait for the reply as I'm just getting warmed up today :rotfl:

Let the readers decide

Regards
John

I am still reading this thread but I will not get drawn into a slanging match like last time so I will be selective in my replies, Pete.

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

I am still reading this thread but I will not get drawn into a slanging match like last time so I will be selective in my replies, Pete.

Great to have you back Pete......d'ya know what I new I should've a fiver on you coming back on here :rotfl:

So c'mon........is bandos one of yours

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

I am still reading this thread but I will not get drawn into a slanging match like last time so I will be selective in my replies, Pete.

Pete........it' not like you to BEND the truth & of course you will only be selective in your replies Pete just like before :cool:

Now........your telling me that out of a drop of 200 cats a new person who has just paid £175 to join would only loose 10 or 20 books??? Now I know & you know that is a bare faced lie :mad:

Yes....... possible........... BUT ABSOLUTLY NOT PROBABLE

Tell the truth Pete :eek:

Regards
John

lisyloo

That is not "twisting information", it is actually making a logical assumption based on information you provided. You are now saying that if you worked more hours your hourly rate would drop below £25.

I have no axe to grind either way, but it's BLATANTLY obvious to me you can't extrapolate this figure.
Just cos you put in more hours doesn't mean people will buy more stuff - that's obvious.
To get more customers you'd have to go further afield which will cost more in terms of travel costs and travel time.
It's pretty obvious to any objective outsider that if there is a certain amount of business NEAR your home, then getting extra business will cost more and hence hourly rate will most likely go down. Ultimately the costs would be unaccpetable e.g. take it to extremes and you'd be travelling to Australia !!!
It's blatantly obvious you cannot just extrapolate like that.