Kleeneeze or Betterware?

andye32

geordie_joe wrote: »

You can run out of people very easily, in less than nine steps to be exact.

Supposing each person recruited 10 people, and everyone they recruited also recruited 10 people etc. etc.

You would get this

1
10
100
1,000
10,000
100,000
1,000,000
10,000,000
100,000,000

As you can see, by the time you are down nine layers, including your self, you have to recruit 100 million people. But as you have already said, there are only 65 million people in the country.

But it doesn't need to go that far, you can't have every one in the country putting out books. If you did you wouldn't have any customers, just people wandering the streets putting catalogues through the doors of other kleeneze agents.

Even if you only go down to 1 million kleeneze agents, it means each one will only have, on average, 64 potential customers.

Now I will tell you something you don't know.

You are just the latest in a long line of people trying to recruit people into kleeneze. We have heard all the cr*p a thousand times before, and each time we have beaten the poster into submission.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You only need 5 key people for success, theres only 10,000 active distributors for kleeneze in the whole country, 0.2% of the population. If we got to stage 3 of your diagram youd be earing big. So dont get ahead of yourself, dont forget about the HARD WORK. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Have you tried Kleeneze??

jules888

andye32 wrote: »

Whats knowledge is this based on? Have you asked people in most homes if they want it? Typical ignorance on your part here. Seems like you have no business knowledge at all.

Kleeneze is the founder of the Direct Selling Agency and has been in profit for 87 years. You may get some items cheaper in the shops you mention, but with kleeneze they deliver to your door with a no quibble return policy, even if its 3 months down the line since you bought an item. The service is incorporated into the cost.

Dont talk about things you know nothing about.

I agree,most of the stuff can be bought cheaper and a lot of it is gatgety stuff that you dont need.Have only ever bought one thing from either kleeneze or betterware.

Peter_Pan

andye32 wrote: »

sorry if you took offence.

You say you got to gold then the real work begins, the real work begins from day 1 and you continuely build the business consistently at your pace. Not at any point do you think "now the real work begins", it should be consistent. Why did you stop at Gold? At gold your earning £1260 a month, £16000 a year, thats a wage to some people, why give it up? Wow although we were led to believe we would be earning about £1000 our highest cheque when we reached Gold was £650!! We worked flat out around a young family building a customer base and sponsoring as well and when we went Gold we were told to more of both to maintain it which we did and couldn't!! My kids were getting older before my eyes and i was always tired and busy. I have seen some dedicated and hard working people quit from higher postions than Gold.If you continued going at your pace your business would continue to grow. I have never once been told to do more retail or sponsor more people by my upline, they never persuade or pressure. Thats not the Kleeneze way. If they did i would tell them straight. Sorry have to agree to disagree on that one about the Kleeneze way.
We want people to join cus they want to not cus they feel pressured into it. Fantastic, glad to hear it.

Whats the point in pursuading someone to join that doesnt want to? When they do join they aint gonna do anything anyway! Exactly

I admire you for doing good for the planet, but the bottom line is you want to be successful and make money, helping people along the way, right? People dont understand the great satisfaction with helping someone below you be successful. People think the people above get you to join just to make them money, wrong. They buzz off seeing you do well and helping you get there. They have to put alot of time and effort into getting you there. But you gotta wanna do it yourself. I do a full time job and kleeneze and sometimes i dont get in till 11 o clock at night, im willing to put the hours in cus i can see the bigger picture at the end. I do agree with you here, helping people reach their goals is great which is why its so important to find out what they want from it, some may only want an extra £50 a week.

How much are you making with the new company? How much of your time is that taking up? as you said Kleeneze was eating into your time too much. I'm only 3 months into Wikaniko, i am retailing locally only, keeping our carbon footprint down and not working with many brochures but building a good customer base and interestingly people who never ordered with Kleeneze are with this. My children are older now and at school so i retail during the day and just deliver one evening. I have a small team growing as well. I buy my own products at wholesale and my commission from customer orders pays for my monthly shop of products from my own Biz , isn't it about being your own best customer, i want to use the products myself as do the distributors that have joined me, we want to show local people that there is an easy way to go greener, the products all in one place, i save time on my normal weekly shop now as i can avoid lots of the aisles now.

Just seems you were looking for the quick fix without the hard work and seeing it through. Now your trying something else cus the grass might be greener and easier on the other side. Well it aint i can assure you.

We all know there is no quick fix without hard work and with Wikaniko as its a new name some areas will take work to introduce a new name but the difference for me is that i'm not just selling products , i'm selling products that i am passionate about and have a worthwhile purpose whether its helping the Planet or cutting down the number of harmful chemicals in the home and its surprising how many people aren't aware what a lot of the household cleaners, toiletries and cosmetics contain. For me its not hard work, its something i enjoy and i know for every product i sell i have done something worthwhile and if i put a brochure through and it makes someone stop an dthink thats a seed planted and that is worthwhile. If i recruit people that love the products and want to help others go greener and i help them do that i know i will see the results on both the Planet and financially. Perhaps we should make a date and compare notes again say in 12 months time?

geordie_joe

andye32 wrote: »

You only need 5 key people for success,

I wasn't talking about success, as you well know. I was answering you when you said

"how can you run out of people Theres 65 million of us living here"

I simply demonstrated how easy it would be to run out of people if everyone recruited 10 people

andye32 wrote: »

theres only 10,000 active distributors for kleeneze in the whole country, 0.2% of the population.

After 87 years they've only managed to recruit 0.2% of the population. It's good to see most of us have good sense.

andye32 wrote: »

If we got to stage 3 of your diagram youd be earing big.

Not if I was in stage 3. Maybe I'd be earning big if I was on stage 1, but all my earnings would be from taking a cut of other people's work.

andye32 wrote: »

So dont get ahead of yourself,

I don't intend to.

andye32 wrote: »

dont forget about the HARD WORK

As I have said, in the end all you have is telling people to work hard. You completely ignore my post about customers not buying and keep pushing the "If you work hard enough" tosh.

andye32 wrote: »

Have you tried Kleeneze??

Now lets see, if I answer yes then you reply with "You didn't work hard enough, so you failed and that's why you don't like kleeneze. It wasn't kleeneze's fault you failed, it was yours for not working hard enough".

and if I answer no, you reply with "Don't knock something until you've tried it".

geordie_joe

andye32 wrote: »

If you earn £50 from kleeneze in a month you must be putting 5 catalogues out in a week.

Come on, answer the question

Are you saying you can earn £50 just from putting out 5 catalogues a week?

googler

I've never bought from Kleeneze, haven't worked for/with them, but a work colleague did (and is no longer).

It struck me that a lot of the catalogues were going to waste, because once they were delivered to homes, they very rarely made their way back to the doorstep on the allotted day for collection. What does the rep do then? Knock the door, and ask for the catalogue back? Time-consuming, to say the least.

It also struck me that the distributors would do well to carefully analyse their demographic; the type of people who buy from Kleeneze are in my Mum's age group - retired, time at home to actually READ the catalogue, and at home to take delivery of the goods when they arrive. Also, possibly less likely to go shopping for the type of stuff in the catalogue, and in the case of some pensioners, unable to. Therefore, concentrate on retirement communities, sheltered housing, council housing, etc.

Putting these catalogues out to a demographic that's out at work, able to go shopping and buy stuff like this themselves, etc seems doomed to failure......

lozza1985

Lol wish that would be the case! Me & OH joined kleeneze January of last year...gave it a good go to - but we just couldn't get enough orders to break even. Had we managed to break even we would have continued for a while longer. I remember one Saturday I spent ages collecting in nearly 200 brochures (most weren't out so had to knock for them, and then return again on the Sunday for as many others as I could get), and for what, £20 of orders in total! I blame OH he thought it was a good idea

Some companies will work for some people, but not others. Kleeneze didn't work for us, but does for others. We started Avon at the same time, and still do that, with me having progressed into building my own team (a very small team as I'm not pushy and don't really look for people to join, but means I can buy my books cheaper!) but I know not everyone is successful with Avon, even when they've tried, I'm not naive to think anyone can be successful with hard work - sometimes things just don't work that way, your area can already be saturated with reps/people just not interesting in buying. I hated with Kleeneze the expectation that you would *want* to build your own team. Not everyone does. A lot of people just want to do a bit as and when they can, around their family/work commitments to help make ends meet.

Peter_Pan

googler wrote: »

I've never bought from Kleeneze, haven't worked for/with them, but a work colleague did (and is no longer).

It struck me that a lot of the catalogues were going to waste, because once they were delivered to homes, they very rarely made their way back to the doorstep on the allotted day for collection. What does the rep do then? Knock the door, and ask for the catalogue back? Time-consuming, to say the least.

It also struck me that the distributors would do well to carefully analyse their demographic; the type of people who buy from Kleeneze are in my Mum's age group - retired, time at home to actually READ the catalogue, and at home to take delivery of the goods when they arrive. Also, possibly less likely to go shopping for the type of stuff in the catalogue, and in the case of some pensioners, unable to. Therefore, concentrate on retirement communities, sheltered housing, council housing, etc.

Putting these catalogues out to a demographic that's out at work, able to go shopping and buy stuff like this themselves, etc seems doomed to failure......

I would have to disagree with about who buys from Kleeneze, in my experience you cannot generalise, also people buy from the distributor in my opinion as well as the brochure. I have customers who i know will buy from whatever brochure i put through because its me.

I do knock for my brochures and with Wikaniko i am getting more back than with Kleeneze whether its because it fits in with the eco-friendly, recyclable, reusing which we are promoting i don't know. My brochures are my shop window so i want them back so i can let someone else have a look so i am persistent and in the long run its w serious about your Business. It is in my experience only a small percentage that aren't left out on time and as we are only working very locally its not too bad having to go back out a few times.

Ypaymore

If i was interested/ involved with Kleeneze i would be concerned that

Last month, the chairman of Findel the holding company stepped down with immediate effect,and the Chief executive left the company at the end of the financial year.

Findel suspended its dividend payments after it asked shareholders for cash last year,and about two weeks ago they issued a profit warning.

Peter_Pan

Ypaymore wrote: »

If i was interested/ involved with Kleeneze i would be concerned that

Last month, the chairman of Findel the holding company stepped down with immediate effect,and the Chief executive left the company at the end of the financial year.

Findel suspended its dividend payments after it asked shareholders for cash last year,and about two weeks ago they issued a profit warning.

From what i can see its the education arm of the Company that is having a challenging time.