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Kleeneeze or Betterware?

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  • Peter_Pan
    Peter_Pan Posts: 791 Forumite
    Have noticed that it's only the people who are trying to recruit that earn the big money?

    They claim to have made money from the beginning, and now make so much they have quit there full time job and only do kleeneze part time.

    Yet the people who are not trying to recruit tell a very different story.

    Perhaps we have just hit the nail on the head here;) in any network marketing Company the big money only comes from the team building, you could never shift enough product yourself to earn big money. I think people are mis sold the concept of network marketing so often.
    By retailing you can earn a useful second income but anymore than that you have to build your skills, become a leader and recruit and look after a team and help them get what they want from the Business whether its just an extra income or to build a team themselves.
    I think so many so called leaders only really support those who want to build teams and the poor people who are trying desperately to make an extra income and have no wish to build a team are left high and dry. I believe those people are just as important as those that want a residual income by team building.

    You can make an extra £50+ from retailing once you have done the initial work of building a customer base but that doesn't happen overnight and again people are mislead when they join and have too high expectations in their first weeks/months. If you reatil massively you can earn more but its more beneficial to develop new skills and learn leadership skills and support other people in your team and you earn a small % of their sales as bonuses for the help you are giving them.

    Debbie
    We love what we are doing and we love why we're doing it!!
  • Done both, but a while ago between 1994 and 2001.

    Betterware. No costs base, no competing agents on your turf and if you are a co-ordinator you earn higger income from your sales group. 20% rising to 34.4% on sales. (might be different now). Easy to recruit, no motivational speeches. minimal administration and paperwork and can be computerised. Missing/faulty goods refunded/replaced without further ado. It does earn that little extra money for xmas & holidays.

    Kleeneze. Fees for everything including 0870, lots of motivational speeches embellished with imagery of cars mansions holidays and "bonus" cheques - somteimes called "bogus" cheques because they are not legal tender. Company is more interested in selling expensive catalogues than the goods conveyed in them. Administrative duties a bit OTT, can incur losses from faulty/missing goods not being refunded. Income from sales after fees and charges 9.4% of sales. Gross income from sales is 21.15%. Hard to recruit. A lot of hard work for £10 in your pocket.

    Neither the above take into account costs of car, phone and recruiting agents. You must be fit and active.
  • Fru420
    Fru420 Posts: 1 Newbie
    I've been doing Kleeneze only six weeks now, and as far as I can see it works. However, nothing is achieved though without work and effort

    You will always get out of life what you are willing to put into it.

    In my 1st month I earned £300 part time. About 12 hours a week. For my 2nd month I went full time and in just two weeks have made £1600 in sales. My earnings from that are £480. It took a huge amount of effort and time but the way I see it, the work is easy and simple, and the best thing is I'm my own boss.

    Yes I am hoping to build up a team, as that is where the real money is.
    But it's great to know that I can earn money anyway just by putting out catalogues. I have been told by my upline it gets a lot easier once I reach a 'customer base'. That will be the next deciding factor on how well this business can run. So far I have no reason to disbelieve him, since all he told me already has been exactly right.

    Yes, there are all sorts of hurdles, like buying the catalogues and losing catalogues, and time to prepare and put out and to collect. But as with any business, money and time need to be invested. In my case, I can say my sponsor has been very, very supportive. I bought my first 250 cat's for around £130. I have since received another 450 totally free.

    A lot of customers really like getting the catalogues, and have already asked when they will get them again. And I have not found it difficult to pick up business even with overlapping distributors in the area.
    Let's get one thing straight, it is no get rich quick scheme, but if all goes as planned it can be a great way to make a living, and yes I think in the long run, a very nice one.

    So why do most people fail in kleeneze. Simple, they did not have what it takes. Having been in direct sales all my life. I can tell you 90% of sales people do not have what it takes to succeed. Just because they could not figure it out and make it work does not mean others won't. But it is true that most won't. That's just a simple fact of life.
    But how do you know till you try? If you did try and failed, never mind, hey, try something else.

    Finally, you create your own reality. If you believe Kleeneze is crap and a scam, then it always will be. If you believe it is a great vehicle to secure financial freedom for yourself, it will be that too.

    Personally, I am looking towards a great time with Kleeneze.
  • billsavings
    billsavings Posts: 2,015 Forumite
    Odd how first time poster Fru 420 digs up the Kleeneze thread to tell us how wonderful it is,and is then thanked by another Kleeneze person.:eek:
  • lincroft1710
    lincroft1710 Posts: 18,896 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    Odd how first time poster Fru 420 digs up the Kleeneze thread to tell us how wonderful it is,and is then thanked by another Kleeneze person.:eek:

    Not odd at all! Quite common on the boards these days (regrettably!).
    If you are querying your Council Tax band would you please state whether you are in England, Scotland or Wales
  • petestan
    petestan Posts: 197 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    edited 6 March 2011 at 5:44PM
    Odd how first time poster Fru 420 digs up the Kleeneze thread to tell us how wonderful it is,and is then thanked by another Kleeneze person.:eek:

    I don't know the poster but I get email alerts whenever someone posts in this thread (as I presume you do) hence why I thanked the poster. Unfortunately most people posting in this thread just slag the company off no matter what is said so it's nice to have someone saying something positive for a change.
    At a guess I would think that if you search google for kleeneze this will be one of the early links you would see with MSE being so popular.
  • Fru420 wrote: »
    I've been doing Kleeneze only six weeks now, and as far as I can see it works. However, nothing is achieved though without work and effort

    You will always get out of life what you are willing to put into it.

    In my 1st month I earned £300 part time. About 12 hours a week. For my 2nd month I went full time and in just two weeks have made £1600 in sales. My earnings from that are £480. It took a huge amount of effort and time but the way I see it, the work is easy and simple, and the best thing is I'm my own boss.

    Yes I am hoping to build up a team, as that is where the real money is.
    But it's great to know that I can earn money anyway just by putting out catalogues. I have been told by my upline it gets a lot easier once I reach a 'customer base'. That will be the next deciding factor on how well this business can run. So far I have no reason to disbelieve him, since all he told me already has been exactly right.

    Yes, there are all sorts of hurdles, like buying the catalogues and losing catalogues, and time to prepare and put out and to collect. But as with any business, money and time need to be invested. In my case, I can say my sponsor has been very, very supportive. I bought my first 250 cat's for around £130. I have since received another 450 totally free.

    A lot of customers really like getting the catalogues, and have already asked when they will get them again. And I have not found it difficult to pick up business even with overlapping distributors in the area.
    Let's get one thing straight, it is no get rich quick scheme, but if all goes as planned it can be a great way to make a living, and yes I think in the long run, a very nice one.

    So why do most people fail in kleeneze. Simple, they did not have what it takes. Having been in direct sales all my life. I can tell you 90% of sales people do not have what it takes to succeed. Just because they could not figure it out and make it work does not mean others won't. But it is true that most won't. That's just a simple fact of life.
    But how do you know till you try? If you did try and failed, never mind, hey, try something else.

    Finally, you create your own reality. If you believe Kleeneze is crap and a scam, then it always will be. If you believe it is a great vehicle to secure financial freedom for yourself, it will be that too.

    Personally, I am looking towards a great time with Kleeneze.


    Great first post & thanked by Pete ;)

    You say you have been in direct sales all your life pls enlighten us then :beer:
    The Seeker of Truth & Justice for all
  • Ypaymore
    Ypaymore Posts: 2,802 Forumite
    Great first post & thanked by Pete ;)


    Your old chum HJ. :rotfl:
  • Ypaymore wrote: »
    Your old chum HJ. :rotfl:


    :rotfl:

    Still waitiing......................................

    I've got some great stories to tell :cool:

    Regards
    Honest John
    The Seeker of Truth & Justice for all
  • flexrider
    flexrider Posts: 745 Forumite
    Do mean to sound dissmissive but i actully went to a conference for Kleeneze a long time ago In manchester were it tried to show off as a lavish doo, We was contacted by a couple who suppost to be top of Kleeneze were they were talks about lavish holidays Top cars and all that sort of thing.We was taken to it to see if we wanted to sign up under the Kleeneze umbellra or company.

    Glad after that time i said no when most of the items they sell can be purchased at poundland anyway for a pound?
    "MSE Money saving challenges..8/12/13 3,500 saved so far :j" p.s if i been helpfully please leave me a thank you but seek official advice at all times from a pro
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