Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

onceuponatim wrote: »

ooo I typed another war and peace and it didnt submit... conspiracy

anyhoo, I thought the above post was interesting from another thread

I appreciate the cost of joining Kleeneze puts some people off but come on, 5200 leaflets for £104...

Im going to run some figures and let me know if it makes any sense...
5200 leaflets is essentially 5200 properties.
Well given that with kleeneze you have to deliver and collect so Ill half that number (well Ill use 2700 as its a proven example I teach my team)

2700 catalogs would produce orders in the region of £2700 (£1 per book on average to a non customer base) sometimes less, oft times more.

This would result in a retail profit of £567 and a bonus of approx £260
Total = £827

Lets be realistic and take out start up costs and lost catalogs and deduct £200. That leaves a profit of £627

Now I keep telling myself Im biased but SURELY some of you guys should be in the leaflet distribution thread berating them for their madness.

Haven't got time to read all this rubbish aslo

Your telling a person who want to deliver 5200 leaflet for £104 ???

You telling them that they will get a profit of £627 are you

If you are your a complete joke :mad:

Admin DELETE this person as he's clearly recruiting. If this is his response to the leaflet person then once again the facts & figures sasted are once again a JOKE

Cant wait for you next exciting novel :rotfl:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

Lady_Python wrote: »

So, you made (make) your money off recruiting and team building.

How many people have you recruited who believed the lie and gave up very quickly - after wasting money they probably couldn't afford in the first place? My bet is a lot if not most of them.

I built up a good customer base. I also did recruiting for a while but never felt comfortable with it simply because I knew I was trying to sell a lie.

Yes, there are people who have made a lot of money out of Kleeneze but they've done it off the backs of other people.

That makes them parasites.

Parasites is a polite word for most of them LP.....not all of them though

Just had my mate tell me that one of his managers agents had another run in with them again

He keeps telling me that Kleeneze keep stealing books books in his area & I didn't beleive him but he's just told me this......

One of his agent was out picking up his books this weekend when he came across the Kleeneze person picking his Betterware books up aslo. He admitted his agent wasn't the brightest spark in the world BUT he lets say had a few words with him & the Kleeneze trolley got knocked over. Out of the Kleeneze trolley fell out loads & loads of Betterware books.

Yes I know the Kleeneze people are going to say this happens to them too BUT he tells he this is a common occurance & basiaclly nothing can be done about it :eek:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

onceuponatim wrote: »

"So, you made (make) your money off recruiting and team building.

How many people have you recruited who believed the lie and gave up very quickly - after wasting money they probably couldn't afford in the first place? My bet is a lot if not most of them.

I built up a good customer base. I also did recruiting for a while but never felt comfortable with it simply because I knew I was trying to sell a lie.

Yes, there are people who have made a lot of money out of Kleeneze but they've done it off the backs of other people.

That makes them parasites."

What is the LIE that YOU were trying to sell???
I personally see the credibility issue lies with you rather than a multimillion pound company.

You castigate an opportunity that you failed with and flippantly try to bring closure by branding successful people as parasites where you clearly do not understand the concept of the business model at hand. Yet you wax lyrical about your involvement with Avon, a company that pays bonuses based on sales turnover (your own or your team if you!!!8217;re a Sales leader) and has subsequently adopted a similar networking model.
The two ideals are the same, all be it with a different product and marginal differences in the percentages payed out. I appreciate you may prefer to wholesale buy cosmetics than thick and thin cheese slicers but please be pragmatic and honest with points that merit an argument.

With regards to where I make my money, there are NO financial incentives for a distributor to sponsor someone else. There is no money made when a new distributor joins. If you!!!8217;ve done what you allude to have done, you will know that.
It costs me money to recruit someone, advertising, postage, petrol etc. It is only when that new distributor begins to make any money that his turnover is reflected in my overall turnover. And at no time is money taken away from that new distributor.

As an executive distributor, I would be paid approx £400 for every person I help achieve Gold Distributor (with approx earnings around £1200 a month). I tell that to people from day one. They have the choice to achieve what ever level they choose.
Consider the construction industry, some choose to be brickies, some acrchitects and some property tycoons.

I have had a tonne of people who gave up very quickly, but it was not because of any LIE that I told THEM.
I!!!8217;ve had people tell me that they!!!8217;ve spent hours putting books out and got no orders only to find them still in boxes in their house.
Oh what else!!!8230; A girl told me she got no orders, ever!!! Only to find she left the books lying outside of the property rather than put it through the door.
Quit because products were held up at customs during a strike action
Quit when she found out it rained in England!!!
Quit because she had spent the £700 she got from her first week in orders rather than pay Kleeneze what she owed them.
Quit because unlike a £5 per hour shop job, you don!!!8217;t just get money for turning up.
Quit because he seen another Kleeneze catalog on the street he was working on. Decided to join Betterware. Did a FANTASTIC job in a crappy area getting new customers. Was then moved by Betterware to a new crappy area as he was seen as a troubleshooter. This happened 3 times before he rejoined me as Kleeneze reps choose where they go, not rounds owned by the company.

Without knowing anything about you, I!!!8217;m going to make a random guess that you were one of those that thought the answer was in the retail. (Im prepared to be wrong !!!8211; shock me) Just keep retailing ad infinitem!!!8230;.and when you realised you had just swapped one job for another, you told yourself Kleeneze didn!!!8217;t work.
You probably couldn!!!8217;t tell me your sponsors name as you had very little contact with them and you never let anyone show you how things actually worked because you didn!!!8217;t want to go to one of those !!!8220;meetings!!!8221;.

For all those forum cruisers, its worth noting that Kleeneze meeting/conference/gathering is not one of the hype events commonly associated with Amway, Herbalife, melaleuca et al as Kleeneze do show income figures. Others shy away as literally no one is making money. This is where the bad press originated regarding uplines profited from sales tools etc as they were generating little from their key businesses. That is not to say their haven!!!8217;t been instances where sales tools have been made available and the distributor profited. That!!!8217;s a no no in my eyes AND the companies.

Whats with the numbers???

As you seem ITK Tim what is the current situtaion with the year on year sales growth within Kleeneze???

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

Sorry but the rest of what you said is b*llocks and I'm going to bed now.

AGREE GJ

They've always an answer for everthing



Tim.............

I want to earn £500 per week to leave my current situation

Pls......... in simple terms...... tell me how I'm going to get there

I'm new to this...... I dont want to be part of the 45 year plan so pls help me

Regards
John

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Haven't got time to read all this rubbish aslo

Your telling a person who want to deliver 5200 leaflet for £104 ???

You telling them that they will get a profit of £627 are you

If you are your a complete joke :mad:

Admin DELETE this person as he's clearly recruiting. If this is his response to the leaflet person then once again the facts & figures sasted are once again a JOKE

Cant wait for you next exciting novel :rotfl:

Regards
John

Hi John, why should he be deleted, you said to me previously that a poster who just slagged of Kleeneze but added nothing to the discussion was entitled to his opinion and should be heard. Well Tim whoever he is, is entitled to his opinion, he has not put up links to his website or tried to recruit any poster's to this thread he has simply stated his opinion and seeing as he is already in Kleeneze it is bound to be a positive one. Are you now saying only negative opinions of Kleeneze are allowed on this thread?

NO I didn't invite him onto this thread, if like myself he gets Google alert emails for Kleeneze then he will have seen this thread in those and come of his own volition, Pete.

onceuponatim

Pete, I'm going to leave you to enjoy this thread. I don't need to justify a £2500 per month passive income to anyone. (well perhaps my wife).
The volley of insults that come when faced with irrefutable facts indicates the intellect level of the individuals I'm debating with.

This is a thread in the MSE forum, everyone has access to it. I am a financially savvy self employed businessman (look at the income thread for the details). No one has invited me to it.

How do you suggest I answer a question objectively when I've been told that we've got an answer for everything. I used to think that meant you were knowledgeable. However it appears in order to be knowledgeable it is merely a requirement to regurgitate someone else's third hand story that was more often than not factually incorrect. The source usually a friend of a friend or perhaps someone else apparently in the know but not willing to post on the thread.

John regards your £500 a week. A tax free option would be close protection security in Afganistan. One of my old forces buddies earns £70k tax free. Hes on a better screw than me and has a great tan.

Lady_Python

onceuponatim wrote: »

Pete, I'm going to leave you to enjoy this thread. I don't need to justify a £2500 per month passive income to anyone. (well perhaps my wife).
The volley of insults that come when faced with irrefutable facts indicates the intellect level of the individuals I'm debating with.

This is a thread in the MSE forum, everyone has access to it. I am a financially savvy self employed businessman (look at the income thread for the details). No one has invited me to it.

How do you suggest I answer a question objectively when I've been told that we've got an answer for everything. I used to think that meant you were knowledgeable. However it appears in order to be knowledgeable it is merely a requirement to regurgitate someone else's third hand story that was more often than not factually incorrect. The source usually a friend of a friend or perhaps someone else apparently in the know but not willing to post on the thread.

John regards your £500 a week. A tax free option would be close protection security in Afganistan. One of my old forces buddies earns £70k tax free. Hes on a better screw than me and has a great tan.

You insult OUR intelligence.

Yes, you may have made your money at Kleeneze and yes, you have to be hard-nosed to succeed in business but when you are selling a lie to people, many who are desperate for work, any work, then that is where the parasistical element comes in, particularly when that person ends up deep in debt, working far longer hours than they would at a "normal" job.

Not everyone is glib tongued and capable of suckering gullible, desperate people into believing a lie.

In an earlier post you mentioned that if there were 7 complaints, Kleeneze withdrew the offending product. What a load of codswallop that was. One product, the massager thing (about 5/6 years ago) was still in the books a year later. I returned 3 of them because they were faulty. Don't tell me I had the only 3 faulty ones in the country!

You mention Avon. Please do not compare Avon products to Kleeneze. Avon produce good products and at a reasonable price, comparable with the shops. Much of Kleeneze products are sub-standard and quite frankly, a con, and an expensive con at that.

I've now got my Avon territories sorted out so will now set out to build up a good customer base. It won't happen overnight. Maybe, if things work out, I may end up recruiting or managing, who knows but the difference between Avon and Kleeneze is Avon is a product I believe in. I've used it myself for 30+ years. I remember my mother using it before that.

I never believed in Kleeneze products, apart from one or two which were good and if you don't believe in a product you will never be successful in selling that product or recruiting someone else into that company.

I don't know at this stage whether Avon will work out or not but at least I don't have to travel miles every month to the stupid brainwashing Kleeneze sessions that cost us an arm and a leg.

onceuponatim

the Avon territories will be squeezed even more as the successful Sales Leader programme grows.

Avon will ultimately give up on the territory model and focus solely on Network Marketing

Why on earth did you ever start with Kleeneze if you "Never believed in the products" Surely that has to be a basic element in starting any business

And Im very qualified to talk about Avon. 2 close friends of mine have left successful Kleeneze positions for their own personal reasons and and have become equally successful with Avon. We have a mutual respect for each other as successful business people and regularly discuss our lucrative futures.

ColinAllCars

onceuponatim wrote: »

We have a mutual respect for each other as successful business people and regularly discuss our lucrative futures.

Dont be so sure about this quite a few MLMs have crashed and burned in recent times,yours could be next.;)

Nice to see you not being so verbose.:D

Lady_Python

onceuponatim wrote: »

the Avon territories will be squeezed even more as the successful Sales Leader programme grows.

Avon will ultimately give up on the territory model and focus solely on Network Marketing

Why on earth did you ever start with Kleeneze if you "Never believed in the products" Surely that has to be a basic element in starting any business

And Im very qualified to talk about Avon. 2 close friends of mine have left successful Kleeneze positions for their own personal reasons and and have become equally successful with Avon. We have a mutual respect for each other as successful business people and regularly discuss our lucrative futures.

Why did I get into Kleeneze? Simply because I allowed myself to be talked into it against my better judgement. Once I'd said I'd do it, I didn't want to back out. When I say I'll do something, I do it.

I hope Avon works out but at least no-one has badgered me into doing it. I approached Avon myself so if it doesn't work out, I will only have myself to blame.