Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Thank you for those useful comments, they were a very helpful addition to the thread.

Pete........ if this is LP's opinion then she should be allowed them as this thread is titled Kleeneze or Betterware

We all know who is the winner without a shadow of a doubt........BETTERWARE

I hate Kleeneze with a passion also

You sound like a nice guy & good luck to you

Regards
John

Lady_Python

petestan wrote: »

Thank you for those useful comments, they were a very helpful addition to the thread.

Don't mention it

Honest_John_666

Lady_Python wrote: »

Don't mention it

Pls carry on!!! :rotfl:

Regards
John

ColinAllCars

Apparently the Kleeneze Autumn recruiting figures were so dire they reduced the joining fee by 50% for one week only last week in an attempt to get more people on board.

Honest_John_666

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Apparently the Kleeneze Autumn recruiting figures were so dire they reduced the joining fee by 50% for one week only last week in an attempt to get more people on board.

I might take them up the the kind offer............ NOT :rotfl:

Regards
John

Peter_Pan

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Apparently the Kleeneze Autumn recruiting figures were so dire they reduced the joining fee by 50% for one week only last week in an attempt to get more people on board.

or is it to get sales figures up as much as possible in case someone needs to buy them out if Findel are in trouble?

BargainGalore

The catalogue isnt much better cant even be good enough to wipe your backside with it

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Apparently the Kleeneze Autumn recruiting figures were so dire they reduced the joining fee by 50% for one week only last week in an attempt to get more people on board.

I hate them both including Avon but Kleeneze is the worst of them all

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

I hate Kleeneze with a passion also

geordie_joe

Peter_Pan wrote: »

or is it to get sales figures up as much as possible in case someone needs to buy them out if Findel are in trouble?

I doubt it, one weeks recruiting isn't going to make much difference, especially as they are only getting 50% of the joining fee.

ColinAllCars

Peter_Pan wrote: »

or is it to get sales figures up as much as possible in case someone needs to buy them out if Findel are in trouble?

More likely trying to replace those leaving in droves.

Shares now 10p.

You want have long to wait to see how much trouble they are in Interim Results etc due end of November.

Time they updated this

"Kleeneze is renowned for providing good value, quality products that are delivered directly to customers in the comfort of their own homes. Kleeneze also offers a fantastic opportunity to grow your own business with the support of a well-established household name company." :rotfl:


http://www.findel.co.uk/wps/wcm/connect/web+content/Findel+Corporate+Website/Home/Our+operations/Home+shopping/

onceuponatim

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Great first post once upon a tim......So your Tim Pace are you???

Who invited you on this thread then???

Sounds like your another good guy from what you write & yes of course we cannot qualify what you write, thats 2 of you

Any other pearls of wisdon you wish to share with us???

Regards
John

No not Tim Pace, clearly.
Nobody invited me to the thread John, its an open thread on the MSE forums.
As for pearls of wisdom….hmmm for everyone really….”stop sitting here !!!!!ing about whether Kleeneze works or doesn’t.
Accept the fact that some are making money and some are not. Find something else your good at, make a lot of money, then come back and say “ha, told you so”

Im a realist in all of this. Everyone can find tons of reasons Kleeneze wont work from them - I had more than enough and there are still a few challenges today. That does not escape the fact however that I, Me, took my box of catalogs and the business manual and put it to work.
From day 1 I asked myself the question – will putting catalogs out every day earn me £5000 per month (the magic figure I set myself when I joined). Answer – No. So I didn’t do that. I found out what I needed to do, to get where I wanted to be and followed that plan. NO OTHER COMPANY IS ABLE TO MAP OUT WHAT A PERSON NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR DESIRED INCOME – FACT (up to a point though, id say approx £40,000 per month)

Being your own business however, you have the choice to follow the blueprint or indeed make up your own. Imagine the trainee builder with the blueprint for a cathedral. But he thinks he knows best and does his own thing. Rather than Notre Dame he ends up with Grannies Out House.
Its clearly the bricks, or the trowel, or the cement, or the cup of tea, or the jeans that showed too much builders bum.....

It intrigues me when I read this post. Im sure everyone on here that’s saying Kleeneze failed for them honestly and genuinely believes the lies they are telling themselves when they say they have done everything…and its Kleenezes fault.

For goodness sake, wipe the slate clean, be honest with yourself and then take a proper look.
Ive had people in my team !!!!! and moan about retail issues and then complain about why they had no people in their team. It turned out they weren’t advertising…. Simplistic you may think, but youd be surprised by perceptions when you get bogged down by the nitty gritty.

I could sit here and bleat on about the people that joined after me who are now earning in excess of £5000 per month. But I don’t.

I didn’t make the calls they made. I didn’t make the calls period in some weeks and months. I never seen the people. I never did the whatever. It was me….not Kleeneze.

Kleeneze are a company and a supplier. They source products, negotiate with delivery companies, pay out bonus checks and hopefully make money for shareholders.


I’ve seen a couple of posts about monthly and annual turnovers and whether or not they will be bigger than last year. That remains to be seen. What’s more important is the understanding of what is actually going on. We are in a period of economic downturn whether you choose to accept it or not. The product range of Kleeneze is quite large and diverse. HOWEVER the core range of products for use around the home continues to be a consistent seller. These are items in the 1.99 to 5.99 range. Kleeneze bread and butter so to speak.
You will see a reduction potentially in the higher ticket items due to the unease felt by the buying customers who are watching the pennies. You only have to look at the highstreet, its simple economics.

To many people in the recent past boom years have focused on large retail. This creates falsely inflated figures which are NOT sustainable. Not deliberately but purely they have been focusing on their own financial requirements.

There are numerous other posts that make me smile. One lady who appears to hate all that Kleeneze stands for with its catalog that moves product from a company to a consumer coupled with a network marketing business structure only to say she’s joined another company that moves product from a company to a consumer using a catalog and approx 7-8 years ago changed their business model to a network marketing structure as it would allow their turnover to grow significantly


For all Kleeneze turnover figures quoted please add VAT for the real ££ value. It helps put it in perspective.


The post re recruiting figures – from my observations, if you get 100 people join a business like this (including Avon, Amway, Monavie, Agel, Herbalife et al), only around 20 will EVER recruit anyone into their business. WHY? Motivation, reasons, skills, confidence, work ethic and more.
A lot of people (and mainly the historical recruiters) have gotten bogged down by the retail. Forgotten that it’s about a lot of people doing a little. And many never got started. A lot of people take the easy option and go and drop 50 catalogs rather than make 10 telephone calls. And that is completely their choice (and this may have been you…)

Again I say, be honest.

I personally wish Kleeneze would never drop the price for the starter kit. The price is irrelevant. I will show someone how to get their money back in their first month and produce a profit. And any money spent on your start up is ultimately a business expense which your going to offset against your tax.

Any more red herrings?