Kleeneeze or Betterware?

onceuponatim

Two tremendous responses to my posts.
Lady Python still refusing to accept that Avon & Kleeneze jointly operate a model whereby goods move from a company to the end user via a network of catalog distributors and adopts the smoke and mirrors approach by attacking "again" the current umbrella company - Findel.
Other subsidiaries include the Studio catalog which many buy christmas items from and kitbag.com, europes leading sports online retailer and the company behind several online shops of top football clubs.

GeordieJoe on the other hand relegates himself from the educated debate with his closing line. Please come with some structured honest questions rather than vague one liners and Ill answer them honestly.


LP please stop regurgitating incorrect facts. Re Kleeneze - Fairpak etc. When Kleeneze was bought previously, the buying company who also owned Fairpak voted to change the name of the umbrella company to Kleeneze. This was a move that is almost unheard of. (BMW didnt change to Rover when the bought that)
the Kleeneze homeshopping arm always was a separate company.
It was Farepaks voucher supplier that went into liquidation, and Farepaks replacement voucher supplier who then turned around to all of their customers and said they would not honour any of the current contracts or monies paid. It was Farepak that needed to find the money, not Kleeneze and because of how the companies were set up it was Farepak that had to be able to prove to the bankers whether it could pay the money or not.


and LP - As much as you think i'm defending Kleeneze, I'm not. I'm stating facts as they have happened. Ill no doubt be correcting a few inaccuracies along the way. I'm being 100% up front and honest about things. I do know however this can and does upset people as in a lot of cases they have got by, by passing the buck.

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petestan

Tried it myself with no luck, just post a link to the image.

prosaver

petestan wrote: »

Tried it myself with no luck, just post a link to the image.

thanks mate :beer::beer:

ColinAllCars

This is not the first forum onceauponatim has popped up in to defend Kleeneeze and i doubt it to be the last.Clearly as an executive level distributor/recruiter he has a vested interest in defending them.

ladybirdintheuk

I think it priobably also depends on the area you live in as to if it is worth it. I used to do betterware and was only earning about £20-£30 a week for 8 hours. However 6 of those 8 hours were walking, and I lost loads of weight doing it, so quit the gym. I figured even if I wasdn't making much money from it, it was working as an exercise regime

Caroline73_2

Kleeneze said it was £1 in orders per catalogue when I did it 12 years ago. Why is it only £1 per catalogue now?

Honest_John_666

onceuponatim wrote: »

No not Tim Pace, clearly.
Nobody invited me to the thread John, its an open thread on the MSE forums.
As for pearls of wisdom!!!8230;.hmmm for everyone really!!!8230;.!!!8221;stop sitting here !!!!!ing about whether Kleeneze works or doesn!!!8217;t.
Accept the fact that some are making money and some are not. Find something else your good at, make a lot of money, then come back and say !!!8220;ha, told you so!!!8221;

Im a realist in all of this. Everyone can find tons of reasons Kleeneze wont work from them - I had more than enough and there are still a few challenges today. That does not escape the fact however that I, Me, took my box of catalogs and the business manual and put it to work.
From day 1 I asked myself the question !!!8211; will putting catalogs out every day earn me £5000 per month (the magic figure I set myself when I joined). Answer !!!8211; No. So I didn!!!8217;t do that. I found out what I needed to do, to get where I wanted to be and followed that plan. NO OTHER COMPANY IS ABLE TO MAP OUT WHAT A PERSON NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR DESIRED INCOME !!!8211; FACT (up to a point though, id say approx £40,000 per month)

Being your own business however, you have the choice to follow the blueprint or indeed make up your own. Imagine the trainee builder with the blueprint for a cathedral. But he thinks he knows best and does his own thing. Rather than Notre Dame he ends up with Grannies Out House.
Its clearly the bricks, or the trowel, or the cement, or the cup of tea, or the jeans that showed too much builders bum.....

It intrigues me when I read this post. Im sure everyone on here that!!!8217;s saying Kleeneze failed for them honestly and genuinely believes the lies they are telling themselves when they say they have done everything!!!8230;and its Kleenezes fault.

For goodness sake, wipe the slate clean, be honest with yourself and then take a proper look.
Ive had people in my team !!!!! and moan about retail issues and then complain about why they had no people in their team. It turned out they weren!!!8217;t advertising!!!8230;. Simplistic you may think, but youd be surprised by perceptions when you get bogged down by the nitty gritty.

I could sit here and bleat on about the people that joined after me who are now earning in excess of £5000 per month. But I don!!!8217;t.

I didn!!!8217;t make the calls they made. I didn!!!8217;t make the calls period in some weeks and months. I never seen the people. I never did the whatever. It was me!!!8230;.not Kleeneze.

Kleeneze are a company and a supplier. They source products, negotiate with delivery companies, pay out bonus checks and hopefully make money for shareholders.


I!!!8217;ve seen a couple of posts about monthly and annual turnovers and whether or not they will be bigger than last year. That remains to be seen. What!!!8217;s more important is the understanding of what is actually going on. We are in a period of economic downturn whether you choose to accept it or not. The product range of Kleeneze is quite large and diverse. HOWEVER the core range of products for use around the home continues to be a consistent seller. These are items in the 1.99 to 5.99 range. Kleeneze bread and butter so to speak.
You will see a reduction potentially in the higher ticket items due to the unease felt by the buying customers who are watching the pennies. You only have to look at the highstreet, its simple economics.

To many people in the recent past boom years have focused on large retail. This creates falsely inflated figures which are NOT sustainable. Not deliberately but purely they have been focusing on their own financial requirements.

There are numerous other posts that make me smile. One lady who appears to hate all that Kleeneze stands for with its catalog that moves product from a company to a consumer coupled with a network marketing business structure only to say she!!!8217;s joined another company that moves product from a company to a consumer using a catalog and approx 7-8 years ago changed their business model to a network marketing structure as it would allow their turnover to grow significantly


For all Kleeneze turnover figures quoted please add VAT for the real ££ value. It helps put it in perspective.


The post re recruiting figures !!!8211; from my observations, if you get 100 people join a business like this (including Avon, Amway, Monavie, Agel, Herbalife et al), only around 20 will EVER recruit anyone into their business. WHY? Motivation, reasons, skills, confidence, work ethic and more.
A lot of people (and mainly the historical recruiters) have gotten bogged down by the retail. Forgotten that it!!!8217;s about a lot of people doing a little. And many never got started. A lot of people take the easy option and go and drop 50 catalogs rather than make 10 telephone calls. And that is completely their choice (and this may have been you!!!8230;)

Again I say, be honest.

I personally wish Kleeneze would never drop the price for the starter kit. The price is irrelevant. I will show someone how to get their money back in their first month and produce a profit. And any money spent on your start up is ultimately a business expense which your going to offset against your tax.

Any more red herrings?

RED HERRINGS - isn't that something Kleeneze do & sell for overinflated prices???

You've been invited onto this thread by probably........ Pete :cool:

You must be bored to write so much drival I nearly fell asleep

BORE BORE BORE BORE BORE :rotfl:

The company Kleeneze is scum this is my opinion & it seems apart from the odd 2 people.....you & Pete (watch how many others are invited now) most agree, this is their opinion. I dont think anyone needs another typical MLM type reply

Like PETE, sounds like you've done OK.......Great....... two of you..........anymore???........COME ON........... you can do better than this cant you Kleeneze

This thread states Kleeneze or Betterware.......ONLY ONE WINNER ISN'T IT........

Let me remind you this is a...... MONEY SAVINGS EXPERT FORUM....... not a MONEY GIVING AWAY TO ANOTHER RIP OFF MERCHANT FORUM is it???

All about opinions........keep them shorter as you seem a very boring person

Cant wait for the reply :rotfl:

Regards
John