Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Sandra50

Not only have the advertisers upset UJM, they have upset kleeneze HO. I had several calls from the people I requested info asking if I still wanted to join. I told them that their adverts have been removed from UJM. All of them said they know and it was their upline's fault as they were told to do what he said

Anyway guess what, kleeneze have had a few complaints from other distributors complaining about the actions that the advertisers have done. According to the guys it was so bad that Kleeneze got rid of them along with their accounts.

I had my son call kleeneze to confirm it and guess what, apparently they were caught stealing orders/catalogues from other people in different group despite being verbal warned twice. Kleeneze didn't know about the spamming of the adverts until it was brought up a few days ago. In fact (according to my son) they were the ones that told UJM to remove them. All 13 people along with their upline got removed from kleeneze for the advert spamming aswell as stealing books/orders.

It looks like Justice was finally served to them. :rotfl:

missterryshopper

I find it hard to believe that Kleeneze would discuss that sort of thing with your son !

Sandra50

missterryshopper wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that Kleeneze would discuss that sort of thing with your son !

The Ex-kleeneze distributors have said everything and I got my son to call up kleeneze to confirm it. Of which they confirmed it to be true.

They probably won't discuss it to a random stranger however my son gave all of their details (i.e. AC number, name etc).

honestPeter

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Looks like you have better contact than I Sandra if you've been or your Sons been told all this
What I will guarantee is that all the major uplines would've told their down lines to get these adverts out. The uplines & Kleeneze no exactly what's been going on. Kleeneze are a scumbag company & will continue to be so. Good luck to anyone that still wants to be associated with them. Very typical dis-association from Kleeneze when asked did they know about these adverts. LIARS!!!
The DSA needs to look at themselves also, how many more times do KLZ & bad press have to go hand in hand. Again, you dont need to be a nuclear physicist to know why the DSA turn a blind eye to KLZ do you
Fairpack........EHR........Missing millions.........You dont have to or need to be a conspiracy theorist to know or guess that one or maybe two or three of the KLZ top bods @ the time stole.........opppsssssssss........... I mean......... mislaid........opppsssss........... spent it on the 5 star holiday that year & yes the major uplines know all about this. See Michael Khakter seems its great to tweet a pic of a new Lambo he's driving
I do feel for the low low downlines, the ones that have been suckered into the cult of a really bad rep MLM / NWM operation. Lots of out of pocket people that are looking for an opportunity.
I would also say to people such as Angela Griffin & latterly Amanda Lamb who have been part of a very good persuasive KLZ DVD that they send out to prospects should really have looked into what they were promoting before picking up the $$$ they earned
I'm pretty sure that the reason for all these advert getting taken down & with so much speed had something to do with Findel. Findel do not want or need any bad press. Findel have been trying very hard to keep KLZ profitable for quite a few years now.
I really hope KLZ the company are proud of they way they conduct themselves in allowing false advertising for years & years & years. Ripping off genuine people out they looking for an extra income. I'd love a KLZ person to come on this thread. They know its here!!!
The ones @ the top are still earning very good money, they have

Ok HonestJohn you have your wish. Major upline here and now. Two things straight away... your 'guarantee' is wrong as I knew nothing about it and did not inform my downline to do it. Secondly I mever knew this thread existed till today.
Fairpak was under the umbrella of EHR and its unfortunate that Kleeneze was under the same umbrella. I have no idea what happened with the missing millions but I do know a man was held accountable for it.
We are NOT all scumbags and to say as such is quite disgusting actually as that is similiar to branding all muslims as terrorists. Some of us actually want to build a genuine business with absolute truths of the ups and downs of what a typical week of a retailer can involved.
I have no idea where Sandra50 got her information from but it is NOT true as Kleeneze would NOT discuss with her son the detail that she has gone into about accounts being terminated.

I KNOW exactly what went on in terms of UJM and the ads at the end BUT only at the end! They wrote to every Kze distributor and told them they were killing it and informed Kze as well that there distributors were breaching terms and conditions and there ads were being killed off.
I am NOT defending any position and some of the facts you say are sadly true in my eyes.

Honest_John_666

Hi honestPeter.......yeah righto Honesty & the word KLZ are not what many people in the UK says as words you would ever say that go together.

Highly original tag/username & you've never heard of this site & you've just came across this by chance. Yeah righto!

Pete Stanley by any chance?

So then, your names Peter & your a major player in that fantastic company Kleeneze. The company that groups sales have declined year on year for about 10 years

What do you make of the damming C4 report released that 118000 jobs advertised on the Gov UJM site were fake jobs advertising for Kleeneze. Not saying you were one plaquing this free to use site for genuine advertisers & not saying you personally are a s*** ***

The ethics of what Kleeneze are, stand for, have said, allowed, done & not done over the years is however a fact & yes they are digusting scum which is my own personal opinion & having dealt with them first hand

CUE the response...........

honestPeter

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi honestPeter.......yeah righto Honesty & the word KLZ are not what many people in the UK says as words you would ever say that go together.

Highly original tag/username & you've never heard of this site & you've just came across this by chance. Yeah righto!

Pete Stanley by any chance?

So then, your names Peter & your a major player in that fantastic company Kleeneze. The company that groups sales have declined year on year for about 10 years

What do you make of the damming C4 report released that 118000 jobs advertised on the Gov UJM site were fake jobs advertising for Kleeneze. Not saying you were one plaquing this free to use site for genuine advertisers & not saying you personally are a scumbag

The ethics of what Kleeneze are, stand for, have said, allowed, done & not done over the years is however a fact & yes they are digusting scum which is my own personal opinion & having dealt with them first hand

CUE the response...........

OMG you really are quite repulsive aren't you.. arrogance is quite overwhelming 'cue the response' ??? who the heck let your ego through the door?
If you dropped the attitude we could have a sensible debate.
Honest in my title refers to MY honesty... so take a step back, breath and lets drop the attitude.

Yet again... assumptions ... I coul argue honest John is perhaps a bit misguided but do you know what nah not worth it.
Again assumption... wanna tell me who the hell Pete Stanley is ??? AND YES ACTUALLY... this is the FIRST TIME ive seen this forum as one of my team pointed out that some 'person' was making accusations and asked me to look.

I also don't recollect mentioning the word 'fantastic' but I guess that was a slight perhaps sarcastic comment ... sounded quite bitter as well?

You come across as the be all and end all lol.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Ok ten years YES! Absolutely and not surprising given the 'merde' created when farepak went belly up.

the jobsite saga is down to both parties to be honest.

You are allowed, as am I , my own personal opinion. My experience is somewhat different but then thats my experience.

Its NO wonder Kze people don't come on here with the attitude, ego and arrogance you have who the hell would want to have a sensible debate... who could have one?? Look spout your hatred Its fair to see but there are genuine people out there who rely heavily on their Kleeneze income having built it over many years and I am one of them. So.. saying you wish to see the death knell of them implies you wish to see the genuine honest people suffer as well. My god you have a serious issue in life you really really do!! GOOD LUCK

Sandra50

"I have no idea where Sandra50 got her information from but it is NOT true as Kleeneze would NOT discuss with her son the detail that she has gone into about accounts being terminated."

Like I said, the ex-kleeneze distributors have said they have had their accounts terminated due to their actions (i.e. job adverts and the stealing the catalogues). I had my son call the HO to confirm this is true. HO did confirm the accounts were terminated however they didn't go into much detail.

I have a look a look into the Farepak inssue on e again and you are telling the truth Peter "Fairpak was under the umbrella of EHR and its unfortunate that Kleeneze was under the same umbrella. I have no idea what happened with the missing millions but I do know a man was held accountable for it"
I did find an article a while ago the man had being in court for it however the verdict wasn't released, and this man hasn't turned up anywhere else.

Honest_John_666

Sandra50 wrote: »

"I have no idea where Sandra50 got her information from but it is NOT true as Kleeneze would NOT discuss with her son the detail that she has gone into about accounts being terminated."

Like I said, the ex-kleeneze distributors have said they have had their accounts terminated due to their actions (i.e. job adverts and the stealing the catalogues). I had my son call the HO to confirm this is true. HO did confirm the accounts were terminated however they didn't go into much detail.

I have a look a look into the Farepak inssue on e again and you are telling the truth Peter "Fairpak was under the umbrella of EHR and its unfortunate that Kleeneze was under the same umbrella. I have no idea what happened with the missing millions but I do know a man was held accountable for it"
I did find an article a while ago the man had being in court for it however the verdict wasn't released, and this man hasn't turned up anywhere else.

Sandra, if true what then thats the first time I've heard this. They used to turn a blind eye to all this stealing books, false advertising, threatening reps etc etc.

The bloke who used to bring parcels to me worked for KLZ for years, nice soft spoken bloke & had his fingers in all sorts of pies. We used to have a joke about his KLZ business until I asked him how it as all going & he said he'd left. I asked if he was joking as he had been working for them for years & had a few people beneath him. He said no & the reason was he was delivering books where he lived but was threatened & was subjected to violence by another rep. He said KLZ did nothing, his upline did nothing. Now that is terrible & 100% true

You have to remember that with no boundaries on territory, you could have 5 or more reps in the same street. This happened near MK a few years ago I was told. An actual brawl took place in an area just outside of MK where a rep was putting out his books & picking up some other reps books at the same time. The two met & a punch up happened. Not sure waht happened after that

Whilst thinking about MK I think theres an area called Collingwood??? I think it was in the local paper that KLZ were banned from there as 5 books or so went through a certain persons house. That certain person was a local councilor who from memory was a little bit fed up to put it mildly.

Now I know this is the truth & we have I suspect not a major upline on this thread which in my eyes is good. The good thing is they've confirmed that their downlines are reading this so hopefully another side to the KLZ myth as they also confimed sales have gone backwards for well over 10 years due to Fairpack & the missing £40M. That fact is wrong as I think Fairpack took the very last payment from their reps in OCT/Nov 2006 then pulled the plug as soon as they go the money in

NOW you may have more time to look into this BUT KLZ were involved/implicated in this, it was on BBC news & yes one of the KLZ top bods at the time has been taken to court.

The reason main reason for KLZ sales going backwards are NOTHING to do with the Fairpack missing £40M its simply because of the companies bad reputation, the bad over-priced products they pedal, the mis - selling of an opportunity, false adverts about earnimg potentials, false promises of following a 5 year plan to financial freedom, it goes on & on & on

Good luck as I've said over the last 5 years to anyone that honestly is building their KLZ business, anyone joining or reading this will most certainly need it

Honest_John_666

Sandra, first link I've come too from 2004 - 10 years ago

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Kleeneze+fails+to+clean+up+as+losses+hit+pounds+9.2m.-a0111375779

Doorstep catalogue retailer Kleeneze Kleeneze Homecare is a multi-level marketing company, and was started in 1923, in Bristol, England. The founder, Harry Crook, had emigrated to America with his family several years earlier and while there joined Fuller Brush as a sales representative. yesterday posted half year pre-tax losses of pounds 9.2 million and said that turnover in its core door-to-door sales business had fallen two per cent to pounds 42 million.

The Swindon-based group, which sells mops, dusters and other household and personal care products, described the fall in sales at Kleeneze UK in the six months to October October: see month. 31 as 'disappointing'.

Despite an improved format for its main catalogue, it was not enough to keep many door-to-door distributors pounding the pavements in the name of cleanliness Cleanliness
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continually “washes” itself. . The number of distributors employed by the division who placed regular orders fell eight per cent to 9,400.



Overall the group posted an eight per cent increase in operating profits from ongoing operations to pounds 2.8 million as turnover on the same basis rose two per cent to pounds 75.6 million.

But it racked up exceptional costs and operating losses of pounds 11.8 million during the period, which it said arose primarily from the sale of its display marketing business DMG(Disk iMaGe) The file format used in the Macintosh for distributing Mac software. Mac install packages appear as a virtual disk drive on the Mac as if you had inserted a CD or floppy disk.
..... Click the link for more information. in July.

That led to bottom line losses of pounds 9.2 million against pounds 22 million last time.

Chief executive William RollasonWilliam Rollason (born 29 November 1960) was the Chairman of the Direct Selling Association in London[1].

Rollason was the Chief Executive Officer of European Home Retail (EHR), and he was heavily implicated in the (subsidiary company) Farepak scandal.
..... Click the link for more information. said Kleeneze UK, which boosted operating profits by three per cent to pounds 3.2 million, had launched programmes to improve recruitment and retention of distributors.

The division plans to introduce more seasonal catalogues in 2004 following the success of a Halloween catalogue, he said.

A new health and beauty catalogue achieved significant growth and further expansion of the product range is also being considered.

Mr Rollason added that Kleeneze was continuing to focus on improving performance at its Farepak business, which provides Christmas hampers, gifts and shopping vouchers on a monthly instalment basis through catalogues.

Farepak made flat operating losses of pounds 400,000 on first half turnover of pounds 33.6 million, up from pounds 31.3 million last year.

But Mr Rollason said the group had 'been restored to a sound basis' -reflected in its decision to resume dividends to shareholders with a 1p interim payment.

'Overall, we believe our expectations for the full year will be met,' he said.

Although share prices fell at the results, one broker said the firm was starting to see the benefits of running a leaner operation.

Shares closed down 11p at 145p.

Honest_John_666

another Channel 4 TV clip

http://www.channel4.com/player/v2/player.jsp?showId=3214