Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

Thanks Sandra you mentioned in an earlier message your dialing code & I knew it was Plymouth. Spent many an evening in my youth whilst on leave on Queens Street :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

Honesty is a BIG BIG BIG factor so the question has to be asked WHY is there so much BS involved when you speak to people about not so........squeeky........ Kleeneze

I gaurantee the KLZ uplines watch all these free media forums & CRINGE when certain people actually tell the truth & pull apart the actuals. [EMAIL="I@ve"]I've[/EMAIL] made it my hobby & duty.

I have no doubt that theres a few that do make good money & theres the people right at the top still making very good money

NOW I write this with quite a bit of info/inside knowledge & can tell you that a few years ago some of the info I was putting on this thread was getting right to the very top of KLZ. I gaurantee that my name........Honest John 666....... was spoken about by Jamie Stewart who was then the MD to KLZ to the MD of Betterware Rob Way. Scared of the truth

So when you ask me why I hate the company so much well you only have to read this thread to understand why & I gaurantee that I only scratch th surface on this outfit

The missing money of the Farepack Hampers fiasco was never found...... somthing to do with KLZ

Last week a 1st post come up.........I'm a single mum........I'm earning £250 a week........I've won a 5 star holiday.............all in my fisrt 6 months.......... Yeah righto...........

SCUM & AVOID LIKE THE NOROVIRUS :rotfl:

Honest_John_666

I forgot to add........the Betterware Area Directors people can & should earn much much more than the figures you mention. They have two choices. They can recruit people & earn 11.2% of there bods sales & if they do the books themselves they will earn 31.2%.

If an Area bod produces £500 in sales themselves they earn £156. This should be 500 books out which should equate to 15/16 hours per week.

An average agent produces approx £250 per week so an Area Bod pops out to see them once a week for about 20 mins & earns £28 for this 20 mins

Do the multiples on this & you have a business plan

As I've said before it can be quite a lucrative business for a business minded person!

Sandra50

From what I think, people don't really tell the truth when getting people to join as they want them to join as quick as possible. Its just greed that is causing them to think of every single lie they can think of.

Looking at a few posts that were about the adverts on the jobcentre on this forum. If you notice none of them mention it is a "commission only" advert, people would join knowing that they are getting a wage but it isn't until they get contacted that they find out that it is commission only.
^This is something JobCentre should look into before approving the adverts.

I personally think there are people in kleeneze making a decent living (According to an ex-kleeneze distributor, 90% of people are earning more than £250 a month) but its the rogue/liars that discredit them in my eyes.

"I gaurantee the KLZ uplines watch all these free media forums & CRINGE when certain people actually tell the truth & pull apart the actuals." I don't think it is the uplines watching the forums but the liars watching the forums and making accounts to persuade people to join etc.

"The missing money of the Farepack Hampers fiasco was never found...... somthing to do with KLZ " I read about that in 2006 I think. From what I remember it wa owned by European Home Retail plc, who at the time owned Kleeneze. EHR went into administration. I know that Findel bought kleeneze.

If you don't mind me asking but how did the Farepak incident head towards kleeneze?

Also I noticed the Farepak website is still up but mentions about the liquidation.

"Last week a 1st post come up.........I'm a single mum........I'm earning £250 a week........I've won a 5 star holiday.............all in my fisrt 6 months.......... Yeah righto..........."

Well I usually give them a chance to prove themselves but since they haven't posted it is save to assume they were trying to advertise. Looking at the holiday criteria which they claim they have won, I don't believe they could achieve it within 6 months. Also google searched all of the names of the people that got the holiday and most of them have their testimonial online which show they have been in kleeneze for more than 6 months.


"the Betterware Area Directors people can & should earn much much more than the figures you mention. They have two choices. They can recruit people & earn 11.2% of there bods sales & if they do the books themselves they will earn 31.2%. "

To be honest I didn't know much about the percentages for the Area Directors etc. All I remember is that all sales got about 20% commission. I know my last year of Betterware was my highest pay for the year which was roughly about £6000 (~£30,000 of sales) , which at the time was about just over average according to my area manager.

Betterware or kleeneze isn't for everyone, as it is a business/self employed type of job rather than an actual job.

onewhoasks

Hi

Years ago I started Kleeneze with great enthusiasm - completely fired up by a sales conference I had been to and there were people there enjoying great success. However I was knocked back in my first few brochure dropping rounds after finding my town was already pretty much covered by other Kleeneze reps who had got there first well before me - householders were quick to tell me.

My area "manager" if you like, higher up the chain, suggested I persevered and tried areas further afield, but if it meant driving to other areas away from home I didn't see the point - don't forget it would be three return journeys... one to drop brochures, one to collect, and one to deliver the products.

As I said, some people have great success but they must have started in new territory with a customer base who are willing to spend the money.

Honest_John_666

Very common I'm afaid theres no area management tool which they say is a positive :eek:

Bloody liars :mad:

Did you make any money at all?

Sandra50

onewhoasks wrote: »

Hi

Years ago I started Kleeneze with great enthusiasm - completely fired up by a sales conference I had been to and there were people there enjoying great success. However I was knocked back in my first few brochure dropping rounds after finding my town was already pretty much covered by other Kleeneze reps who had got there first well before me - householders were quick to tell me.

My area "manager" if you like, higher up the chain, suggested I persevered and tried areas further afield, but if it meant driving to other areas away from home I didn't see the point - don't forget it would be three return journeys... one to drop brochures, one to collect, and one to deliver the products.

As I said, some people have great success but they must have started in new territory with a customer base who are willing to spend the money.

Hi onewhoasks, when I was in Betterware (many many years ago, January 1976) I had competition aswell from 5 Avon people, 2 kleeneze distributors aswell as other (not big, local) catalogue companies. When I started I didn't notice it until I came to pick up my brochures. I had to rummage through 10 catalogue packs to find my brochure on every single door. My sales for that one drop was £25, which was about 10% less of the company average. The company average at the time was about £10 order for every 10 brochures.

I was gutted but I wanted to make sure it worked. I gave everything to give the best service I could give (not tooting my horn or anything ). My first month was £160 sales. The last year [1990] (which was my best year for sales) I had about roughly £30,000 of sales. I went from £160 (first month) worth of sales to about £3000+ ( each month within the last year). Roughly 15 years of hard work and determination got me those sales.

All of those sales were roughly 2/3 miles in my area and I had no car either. In fact I never even had a car or a license to hold one.


Something I noticed with kleeneze and betterware is kleeneze has no territories (no set area) whereas betterware does have areas set for people. I can think of quite a few of advantages/disadvantages for the no areas and set areas.

Advantage for set areas (Betterware);
1) You won't be bothered by other people in the same company as you.
2) You won't have to walk far to deliver orders or brochures.

Disadvantage for set areas (Betterware).
1) The chance you may have a bad area, you can't move out of the area. However it is highly unlikely.
2) You will still get competition from other companies.
3) It limits the amount of sales and money you can receive.

Advantage of non-set areas (Kleeneze)
1) There is no limit of amount of sales as you can go anywhere.
2) If there is a bad area, you can move to a different area.

Disadvantage of non-set areas
1) You will come across other people (same company or not).
2) If two people startup at the same time in the same area, then there is a high chance, one will quit as they may feel threatened by the other person.

Honest_John_666

Disadvantage for set areas (Betterware).
1) The chance you may have a bad area, you can't move out of the area. However it is highly unlikely.
2) You will still get competition from other companies.
3) It limits the amount of sales and money you can receive.

Errrrmmmmmmm no..... this isn't right

If you do have a bad area & you are on foot then yes theres not a lot you can do about it. There are ways of trying to lift sales in your area. If you have a car then you can try a nearby area

The only limits are to the agents that are on foot therefore the only limits to them is the type of area they live in or how far they are willing to walk to

Apart from that if an agent has a car then they can go to any agreed place anywhere. If they have plenty of hours available then they can deliver as many as they can

I'm led to beleive if you can develop £400 in sales you will get 30%. This could / should be about 10/12 hours per week!

The Betterware business model is based on the number of books you can get through the door will achieve sales in most areas

There isn't much of a disadvantage that I can see

Hope this helps

Honest_John_666

Of nearly 600,000 positions currently available, 118,000 are actually adverts for the Kleeneze door-to-door catalogue franchise while another 95,000 have duplicated job descriptions. In the last year, one job description has appeared on the site 3,106 times :mad::mad::mad:

Channel 4 documentry into the way KLEENEZE having been offering false jobs

http://www.channel4.com/news/universal-jobmatch-duplicate-job-franchise-mp-concern-job

PERSONALLY I would have to question UJM for allowing this to take place for so long. In my eyes they're just as guilty

Hope this helps!

Sandra50

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Disadvantage for set areas (Betterware).
1) The chance you may have a bad area, you can't move out of the area. However it is highly unlikely.
2) You will still get competition from other companies.
3) It limits the amount of sales and money you can receive.

Errrrmmmmmmm no..... this isn't right

If you do have a bad area & you are on foot then yes theres not a lot you can do about it. There are ways of trying to lift sales in your area. If you have a car then you can try a nearby area

The only limits are to the agents that are on foot therefore the only limits to them is the type of area they live in or how far they are willing to walk to

Apart from that if an agent has a car then they can go to any agreed place anywhere. If they have plenty of hours available then they can deliver as many as they can

I'm led to beleive if you can develop £400 in sales you will get 30%. This could / should be about 10/12 hours per week!

The Betterware business model is based on the number of books you can get through the door will achieve sales in most areas

There isn't much of a disadvantage that I can see

Hope this helps

Sorry for late reply, just in the middle of a house move at the moment.

When I did Betterware, we wasn't allowed to do any other area unless the are manager gave us permission to do that area. At the time I was in a small area and I remember the area manager mentioning she wanted someone to do this other area as the other person left. I offered as they mentioned there were a lot of customers there. If I remember correctly that area gave over £2000 of orders.

so what I meant in that last post is the disadvantage is you need permission to go to other areas otherwise you are a sitting duck.

Sandra50

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Of nearly 600,000 positions currently available, 118,000 are actually adverts for the Kleeneze door-to-door catalogue franchise while another 95,000 have duplicated job descriptions. In the last year, one job description has appeared on the site 3,106 times :mad::mad::mad:

Channel 4 documentry into the way KLEENEZE having been offering false jobs

http://www.channel4.com/news/universal-jobmatch-duplicate-job-franchise-mp-concern-job

PERSONALLY I would have to question UJM for allowing this to take place for so long. In my eyes they're just as guilty

Hope this helps!

I have been looking at jobs recently and I noticed there was a pattern with the job description. I had a feeling it was the same person, so I looked at each job with a different website. I applied for them as I wanted to question them using the UJM. All of those websites all led to the same group (The focus/vision group).

Apparently they have every right to use the site and other sites. Apparently not if the terms and conditions say no commission only jobs and no mlm jobs. :rotfl:


The way I see it JobCentre/DWP/UJM haven't really bothered to check each job advert before allowing it onto the site. What they should have done if validate each advert before allowing it onto the site. I know something my grandson mentioned is setting a limit of adverts per ip address.

To be honest though, I don't have much faith in the DWP at the moment. My granddaughter is currently on jobseekers and 3 weeks ago Jobcentre/DWP had cut her Jobseekers' allowance for a month because she missed her appointment. Apparently having a major operation doesn't count as a "reasonable" excuse to miss the appointment even though she was told that she wouldn't get cut off.

If that didn't get me fuming, she make an appeal to get the 1 month worth of jobseekers back. Guess what? They haven't even bothered to reply to her to say if it is denied or not. She made the appeal over 2 weeks ago.

I'm actuallly going into the Jobcentre to give them a piece of my mind tomorrow as according to them they should reply within a week of the appeal being made.