Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

RS2014 wrote: »

I tend not to go to bed until very late :-/

The person worked for Betterware and this was a few years back, area was Windsor. Do you live around the area as well honestjohn? They put alot into this and got very little return so I dread to think what it would be like now.

Like I said I am sure some people have done well, and well done to them butI think they are in a minority and the adverts I see everywhere on the net that rope people into this are really ridiculous. In the majority of cases the personreading the advert would make more money on a minimum wage job, at least there is pay for the work that is done.

My mate covers part of Berks but not that far south. I think the further you get towards smoke the harder the business gets. They said that they knew someone a few years ago that would've covered that area & that person (Disabled??? First name W***) almost got the royal emblem onto the Betterware catalogue

I'm based on Oxfordshire when I'm in the country & hate Kleeneze with a passion.

Betterware all round have a much much better reputation & have an honest & ethical approach to the way they try to sell the opportunity

I beleive the adverts you mention will probably be KLZ reps saying how easy it is & I'm brilliant, I drive a porsche, I earn £1000 a month part time etc etc. which as we all know is complete BS. You get people come on here all the time, self promoting themselves. Most of them complete ........ :mad:

The job centre website is flooded with adverts & feel sorry in a way for the Betterware guys who trade pretty much the same way BUT a lot of people wont join Betterware because of the horror stories they have heard about KLZ.

I agree that it might be minimum wage & below for some agents BUT my contact has guys earning about £20/25 per hour pro rata so there must still be some mileage in this :cool:

imoneyop

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Betterware isnt a MLM or NWM scheme

I know, but the deleted post wasn't about Betterware. From memory it was one of the dodgy Internet get rich schemes and the poster had signed up through some equally dodgy sounding introducer.

I'm sure he'll be back in future to re-spam it.

wongawonga

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

& hate Kleeneze

Never would have guessed that HJ from your posts. Ha Ha.

missterryshopper

Sandra50 wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by your post however I have gone lengths to prove that I'm not who I am.

Apologies if i have got it wrong .But your writing style gives me the impression you have got more then a passing interest.

EG: Recent comments made by you .

"Believe it or not, I think the market for catalogue companies are in fact growing."

"Just give it time for your customers to notice you'll be visiting regularly and don't give up on your first drop/month."[/QUOTE]

Sandra50

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Sandra50 wrote: »

I can't seem to access it. Unsure if it is removed or link is invalid however if you don't mind me asking what was it?

Yes the link/thread was removed

The starter of the thread was LUKE87 something about how he found the next best thing to not really working but earning millions scheme & no it wasn't Kleeneze this time :rotfl:

Yeah I know it is removed now but when I tried copy and pasting it into the browser earlier somehow got a blank box instead of the message that appears now. I did manage to find the page before it got deleted though about 5 minutes after posting the question.

By the way I'm changing my number on Monday so I thought I might "check" the page out. It requested details etc. I filled it in since I'm getting a new number anyway.

The "Luke87" guy called about a few minutes ago. Turns out it is a "100% commission" company (aka the mother of all scams) but you have to give £100 to start. All you have to do is persuade other people to join (and part with £100) and sell products. The product you have to sell to get 100% commission on is training cds which you have to sell to your downline.
Basically looks a pyramid scheme to me.
Luke87 isn't the Luke you guys were thinking of , he is some guy in his 50's with a scotish accent uses the name Luke B. Simpson . Apparently he earns about £500,000 a year and apparently won an award of DSA in 2012. Yet no mention on the DSA for this "award"(As Honest John would say smells like bs).

Edit 11/02: Just had Luke call me this morning to ask if I was interested in joining. I questioned the fact you have to "sell" cds to the people below you. He claimed it is 100% legitimate. I asked him if the company he is registered to the DSA to which he claims he is. I called up the DSA and they say they have no record of this guy. I gave them the website/number to them and they have someone investigating it.

Looks like it is in fact a scam artist. Fingers crossed the DSA will do something.

Sandra50

workfromhomeMumof3 wrote: »

I am a single Mum with a 4 year old, 9 year old and 10 year old, I ve been running my Kleeneze around the kids for just over 6 months now. I ve built my income to £1000 a month so far and it is still growing. I have also qualified for a free 5* cruise in May after just 6 months in business. Kleeneze isn't for everyone but if you are prepared to stick at it and actually work then it works. It isn't a quick way to get rich, it is a business that needs time and effort. The rewards however, if willing to put time and effort in, are amazing! I still cannot believe I get to go on a FREE holiday in May! If I can do this anybody really can, you just need the right coaching and the will to want to do it. Hope that helps :-)

This destination you have qualified for, i presume is the "Adventure of the sea"?

Don't call me doubting you but you joined and you qualified for a destination that requires you to recruit people. I kind of doubt it since you only posted once on this topic and haven't joined the forum since the time of the post but who are you in the list of the 50 people going?


If you are who you claim to be then accept my apologies, but at the moment I think you are someone who just joined and made the free holiday up to make us go "wow".

Honest_John_666

Sandra50 wrote: »

This destination you have qualified for, i presume is the "Adventure of the sea"?

Don't call me doubting you but you joined and you qualified for a destination that requires you to recruit people. I kind of doubt it since you only posted once on this topic and haven't joined the forum since the time of the post but who are you in the list of the 50 people going?


If you are who you claim to be then accept my apologies, but at the moment I think you are someone who just joined and made the free holiday up to make us go "wow".

Sandra its probabaly another sad person trying every FREE media forum to try & convince someone to join KLZ

Cant prove one way or the other BUT typical posts like this come on here every now & again. None ever have been true so far

Thanks again for the PM again BUT I would prefer to keep all my comments on this open forum. I think you only have to read through my posts to understand my reasons for hating KLZ. I have never had any personal issues with any individuals but the company I have through my own dealings & some of the people that are in this organisation IMHO (text removed by MSE Forum Team) & still people to this day get sucked into the cult following brigade

The more & more I looked into it the more & more personal harm & hurt I uncovered. Its really a terrible company.

I dont work for Betterware, I have a very good drinking buddy who works for them who quite openly tells me what I need to know to share on this open forum & to this day I will continue to pop back on to check & give the truth

Regards
John

Sandra50

Its not only kleeneze people using forums etc to advertise. Just had a scroll through other forums and theres advertising for almost every MLM company out there. I don't understand how using a forum helps with getting people onboard.

I only pm you as I wasn't sure if the issue with kleeneze was personal or not. I don't want you to post any personal stuff on a public forum. I didn't think you posted the reaosn why you hate kleeneze on here but I have found it :j

I presume this is one of the reasons;

"I had someone swear at me a few weeks ago from Kleeneze this was in front of my 7 yeard old daughter

I called Kleeneze direct & someone was to call me back. You guessed it...... no one did!!! "

Also noticed you are from Oxfordshire. I moved to Oxfordshire about 2-3 years ago, at the same time I had to have a major operation on my knees and foot. Most of my family members live there so I had to stay with them as I had to be looked after the operation.

About 1 week after being let out of the hospital, I was in a wheelchair and I remember coming to the door and a kleeneze guy came to the door an asked for the catalogue. It was on the floor by the door. I asked him if he can pick it up for me as I was wheelchair bound and just came out of hospital.

Now that I remember it, I remember this guy could have been the same guy you mentioned about swearing in front of your 7 year old daughter. The guy's reply was a giant sigh and then followed by a alright. The guy came out of my path and onto the main road and shouted as loud as he could.

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After I heard that, I called Kleeneze and they said They'll look into it. I didn't hear any reply until about 2 weeks later. They called me back and asked if I had the details of the person. Luckily the guy came around and dropped a book (never bothered picking it up).
I asked them out of curiosity if anyone else reported him for this kind of behaviour. They said 5 people have called up reporting the same person. Now I think this could be a coincidence but when I asked them what they reported him for;

2 people reported him for threatening elderly people. :eek:
2 person reported him for swearing at the person at the door
1 person (which I think could be you John) reported him for swearing in front of a 7 year old.

They asked me if they could use some evidence towards him. Basically the person I was talking to, said that to take action on someone they need some form of proof that this incident happened.
Lucky (or unlucky for the guy) for me I had a new CCTV put in my house. It had recorded him storming off and the racial abuse he gave me.

Had my son make a copy of the CCTV footage and he personally sent it to kleeneze Head office. He went in and gave the footage to the person in charge of accounts. My son called me an said the guy's account has been terminated (A few other people had gave out evidence against this guy) and the footage was handed to the police to deal with.

Not sure if this is the guy you was talking about John however it does seem a high possibility.

Also just realised it has only been 2-3 years since I ha a kleeneze catalogue. How my memory forgets the tiny things.

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I do agree with you however there has to be some nice people in kleeneze that do give kleeneze a good name though. At least thats what I believe.

Personally ,apart from that experience with that racist man, I have nothing against kleeneze or any other company. As long as people are making money and giving good service I have no problem with that. Its more of the people giving the companies a bad name, that I have an issue with. If it gets people off the benefit system as well then thats a plus from me.

I assumed you worked for betterware since you had a great knowledge of the company. My bad.

Honest_John_666

Hi Sandra

Are you living in Oxfordshire now?

Sandra50

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi Sandra

Are you living in Oxfordshire now?

Sorry for late reply, just been a busy bee. I lived in Oxfordshire a few years back but I live in Plymouth now.

Also been called by a few people that claim to be quite rich from a company (I couldn't make out what it was) but when I ask them to send proof that they earn a certain amount via email. They claim they can't send it as it is personal. Don't get me wrong but if you wanted people to join your business surely you would be proud enough to give proof you earn a certain amount.

Also I asked quite a lot of questions about this company of theirs (because I couldn't make out what they called it). All of the questions didn't get answered.
It also got me thinking that if these "professional" people couldn't answer simple questions about the company they represent, what do they do when people join. I have a feeling that they probably show no support to the new person.

Just scrolling through the comments from a certain business, I have a feeling why certain people claiming they earn such and such whereas they are lying.

I think with Betterware or/and kleeneze , the best way to get people to join is;
1) Telling the truth regardless about the opportunity. For example if you earnt £50 in the first month, say you earnt £50 rather than £3000. Funny thing is that when the Area Manager for when I did Betterware ages ago, she told me most people earn £100 in the first month.

2) Giving the best team support to your team. Back in Betterware my Area manager gave the best team support.