Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Hi geordie joe there are 1260 names on that list so I don't know how you worked out the average but that seems low to me.
But working on £1464.10 you would earn £307.46 retail profit plus hit the 13% bonus level or 8% cash so that's an extra £117.13 total of £424.59 or £106.12 a week most people doing this retail will be doing it in their spare time doing just a few hours a week, I did that level of retail when I had a full time job also.

Hi Pete

I'm interested..........you earn £106.12 a week part time with a full-time job which is GROSS income. Then we need to work out how much you have to invest to earn a NET/ACTUAL income??? Any ideas???

There is a MASSIVE difference here, even I know that!!!

For my £106 a week how many books would I need to deliver & collect every week - I know this is a piece of string BUT just roughly pls

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Hi John, Shepherd is the top retailer in Gavin's whole group I don't know them at all so I have no idea how long they have been doing it sorry. The top retailer in my group is K Ward who is a new gold distributor. To be honest I don't her but she isn't usually in the top retailers so I am guessing that she wants to go on the Hong Kong conference and so she has decided to do massive retail herself to qualify. This is pure speculation on my part but the usual top retailers in my group did around £4,300 of retail earning themselves around £1400 for 4 weeks they have been doing Kleeneze for around 4 to 5 years I think.
Bear in mine we are in the middle of the summer holidays I don't think that's bad myself, in the run up to Xmas from late October onwards he will probably do two thirds extra to twice as much.

CONFUSED AGAIN???? :mad:

I thought you were in Gavin Scotts group???

Whose group is K Ward in then???

£1400 in 4 weeks isn't good is it???? Tescos pay more than that

Your telling me that in the last 2 months of the year this person/Kleeneze will turn over 50/66% more??? What period will this be in???

Regards
John

petestan

geordie_joe wrote: »

I stuck the figures into a spreadsheet and used a formula. If you think it's a bit low, have a word with Bill Gates, it was his software that worked out the average



Don't forget the list is only "the top retailers" it doesn't include those that do less than 764. If you add in those the average would be lower.

I believe you geordie joe, I tried to do that myself but couldn't get it to work.

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

CONFUSED AGAIN???? :mad:

I thought you were in Gavin Scotts group???

Whose group is K Ward in then???

£1400 in 4 weeks isn't good is it???? Tescos pay more than that

Your telling me that in the last 2 months of the year this person/Kleeneze will turn over 50/66% more??? What period will this be in???

Regards
John

Hi John, GS is at the very top earning the mega bucks at a guess around £30,000 probably more a period further down the leg is RF earning around £15,000 per period then H+J earning around £4,000 I think every 4 weeks, my sponsor BH is next earning around £2 - 3000 I think every 4 weeks and then me, K. Ward is the top retailer in H+J's team the Shepherd's are the top retailer in GS's overall team with many different legs I have no idea where they are.

I am guessing on all these figures because I do not know what level anyone is hitting so therefore I don't know what bonuses they earn, it's been a while since I asked anyone and the earnings at this time of year are down due to the summer holidays.

I am trying to answer your questions the best I can guys but there is only me.

Period 11 and 12 the retail goes crazy for Xmas.

Tesco will pay minimum wage I would have thought don't know never worked there or similar places.

geordie_joe

petestan wrote: »

I believe you geordie joe, I tried to do that myself but couldn't get it to work.

You can't copy the list straight into a spreadsheet, well you can, but not without knowing a complicated way of getting the spreadsheet to split the figures into a separate column.

I copied the list into a text editor (pspad) then did a search and replace and replaced the "(UK) " with a tab character, then did the same for "(IRE) ". Then copied the list again and pasted it into a spreadsheet, the tab character caused the figures to go into a separate column. Three lines needed the figures copied into the new column by hand, because they were different, but it still only took seconds to do.

If you can't get your text editor to replace with a tab character just us a comma, then save the file as a ".csv" file and any spreadsheet should open it.

geordie_joe

petestan wrote: »

Tesco will pay minimum wage I would have thought don't know never worked there or similar places.

Tesco pay more than the minimum wage, and anyone earning from Kleeneze would have to pay tax on it, so if they earned 1400 a month the tax man would have his share of it. 20% if IRC.

petestan

geordie_joe wrote: »

Tesco pay more than the minimum wage, and anyone earning from Kleeneze would have to pay tax on it, so if they earned 1400 a month the tax man would have his share of it. 20% if IRC.

Yes but as I said earlier all your retail kits, order forms, snap bags, printer stuff, etc. plus if you do any advertising all count as business expenses and come off the tax you have to pay. You can also claim some car use so part of your petrol, repairs, insurance etc. and also part of your household expenses including council tax, gas, electric mortgage interest plus part of phone line rental, calls, broadband, etc plus any meeting charges if you go to them. You can't claim back any of this if you are on PAYE in a job only.

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Hi John, GS is at the very top earning the mega bucks at a guess around £30,000 probably more a period further down the leg is RF earning around £15,000 per period then H+J earning around £4,000 I think every 4 weeks, my sponsor BH is next earning around £2 - 3000 I think every 4 weeks and then me, K. Ward is the top retailer in H+J's team the Shepherd's are the top retailer in GS's overall team with many different legs I have no idea where they are.

I am guessing on all these figures because I do not know what level anyone is hitting so therefore I don't know what bonuses they earn, it's been a while since I asked anyone and the earnings at this time of year are down due to the summer holidays.

I am trying to answer your questions the best I can guys but there is only me.

Period 11 and 12 the retail goes crazy for Xmas.

Tesco will pay minimum wage I would have thought don't know never worked there or similar places.

JESUS :eek: Does anyone understand this??? :eek:

You have quoted 50% increase in the last 2 months - have you got anything to prove this?? I cant see anything on Gavins blog to back this up in previous years

You come across as a nice guy Pete, & your doing OK so good luck to you.

I know/knew another nice bloke who had built a team up & had been with Kleeneze for years. He got beaten up pretty bad when someone else was putting books out near where he lives. Heard many other stories like this over Milton Keynes way as well

I dont think I could ever recommend Kleeneze to anyone. I'm very sure some people are earning good money, I'm also sure that this business is VERY unstable. If Findel goes online or even part online, these Gavin Scotts & people like him will be gone

From what I can work out from that blog you sent out is that its VERY VERY heavily loaded towards people that area earning less than £20/40 per week (ALL expenses taken off) Pretty fair to say. Most will leave, some wil stick at it & get the bug. 99.9% wont ever make it & if they do Kleeneze will be gone by then anyway.

Nothing against you BUT I hate people that cant be honest. This is whats wrong with the UK today. Lots of people dreaming. Lots of people scamming each other. The old fashioned family values are gone. Not many honest & ethical business are out there & Kleeneze from what I can read, understand, have heard about, know about are certainly not one of those

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

You can't copy the list straight into a spreadsheet, well you can, but not without knowing a complicated way of getting the spreadsheet to split the figures into a separate column.

I copied the list into a text editor (pspad) then did a search and replace and replaced the "(UK) " with a tab character, then did the same for "(IRE) ". Then copied the list again and pasted it into a spreadsheet, the tab character caused the figures to go into a separate column. Three lines needed the figures copied into the new column by hand, because they were different, but it still only took seconds to do.

If you can't get your text editor to replace with a tab character just us a comma, then save the file as a ".csv" file and any spreadsheet should open it.

Crikey, that impressive Joe :T

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi Pete

I'm interested..........you earn £106.12 a week part time with a full-time job which is GROSS income. Then we need to work out how much you have to invest to earn a NET/ACTUAL income??? Any ideas???

There is a MASSIVE difference here, even I know that!!!

For my £106 a week how many books would I need to deliver & collect every week - I know this is a piece of string BUT just roughly pls

Regards
John

Any answers to this one plsssssssssss

Regards John