Kleeneeze or Betterware?

petestan

OldGreyFox wrote: »

Publishing this link to Gavins Blog is against site rules as it leads to a recruiting site etc.

Publishing some distributors full names etc etc here without their express permission doesnt seem to be a good idea either.

Is it true that some distributors generate additional income from their teams, by charging to go to meetings ,and by the selling of sales aids ,motivational material etc etc.

The link was proof that people can retail product ONLY and make an income why would I want to get people recruited by Gavin Scott when he is earning £1,000's already.
I have only mentioned the names of the 4 people that have the largest team's in Kleeneze this is public knowledge and they are already mentioned in the squidoo link put up by someone else.

As for distributors charging for meeting's etc. I can only tell you what happens in my group which is that yes we charge for meetings the grand total of £3 per person this covers the cost of the room hire although I suspect it probably costs the distributor who hires the actual room a lot more than they actually receive from team members but I cannot prove this as I do not know the cost to hire a room.
Sales aids are provided for distributors to buy IF they wish to NO ONE is forced / or even encouraged to buy them they are simply told there is a tool table at the back of the room if you wish to have a look. Kleeneze is not a certain American network company (A....) that made their money from selling sales aids / tapes.

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

OK, so lets do some maths.

The total points for that group, for 4 weeks, is 1,573,747.95

Assume it is an average week, and multiply it by 13 to get a yearly total

1,573,747.95 x 13 = 20,458,723.35

Then you said to multiply it by 1.175 to convert the points to pounds, so

20,458,723.35 x 1.175 = £24,038,999.94

Now there are at least 5 teams, according to you, and at least two of them make more money. So let's assume this is an average amount and multiply it by 5 teams

£24,038,999.94 x 5 = £120,194,999.68

So, £120,194,999.68 in sales per year, for just the five groups you mention.

I'm a bit stuck for one figure here, so can you (or anyone) remind me what Kleeneze's annual turnover is?

We also have to remember that the above figures are just sales, they don't include joining fees, charges for other things like catalogues, order forms, using web services, not using web services etc. The charges for these would add quite a bit to their annual turnover.

The figures are also just for the five groups you mention, not for any others.

Geordie Joe...... Any chance you can put into cash figures what each persons gross income is???

This is totally confusing for me :mad:

Petestan........simple one for me plssss What do you make on ave each 4 weeks net & how long has this taken you????

Thanks - this is do confusing

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

That is how much product they have sold in 4 weeks so the TOP retailer has sold £8,661 they will earn around £1,818.81 at 21% retail profit plus they hit at least the 21% bonus level, (probably more if they have anyone in their team, the top bonus level is 7500 pts so they only need 130pts outside of their retail) so 21% bonus level (kleeneze has a points value for each product which is usually the retail price minus the vat) which is around 14% cash on top so £1,212.54. So in total from their personal retail that top retailer has earned at least £3,031.35 in 4 weeks.
Now obviously not everyone is willing to do that it takes a lot of effort and a lot more than just 50 catalogues but it shows what you can do.

There are other groups out of Gavin Scott's, Gillian Nicholson's and Chris and Wendy Mason Paul are the 2 biggest but I don't have any links to their team's retail as I am not in either of their team.

The Shepherd's are not the top retailers in Kleeneze though, that is Susan Coleman and Robert Holdford, I know this because they have won the trophy for being the top retailers every year for the last 6 years. Their turnover in period 7 was 12,259.58 pts (taken from the kleeneze ewb newsletter) I have no idea how much of that was personal retail but a hell of a lot of it was as up to the end of period 6 of this year (there are 13 periods of 4 weeks in a year) they have PERSONALLY retailed 61,222.79 pts.

Pete......Who were you recruited by??? Was it this Gavin Scott???

Regards
John

geordie_joe

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Geordie Joe...... Any chance you can put into cash figures what each persons gross income is???

I could, but the list is 1263 lines long. Probably too big for a forum post.

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

I could, but the list is 1263 lines long. Probably too big for a forum post.

Ha ha

The top one earns a miliiona week we all know that

What does the ave. one earn per week???

Is each of these figures what each perosn retails over a 4 week period???

If so.......the numbers dont stack up for me???

Regards
John

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Pete......Who were you recruited by??? Was it this Gavin Scott???

Regards
John

No, I was recruited by a friend (Brian Harwood) who I had been involved with in other network companies in the past. When he decided to join Kleeneze I told him I wasn't interested at the time but to come back to me when he was making money because all the previous companies we had been involved with we had lost money, about 6 to 8 months after he joined he came back to me and proved to me what his income was and what he had paid out and I decided to join. I am part of Gavin Scott's group, way down in his business and I have seen him at the big meetings but I do not personally know him.

geordie_joe

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

What does the ave. one earn per week???

Is each of these figures what each perosn retails over a 4 week period???

If so.......the numbers dont stack up for me???

Regards
John

The figures are points, if you multiply the figure by 1.175 the result is the amount in pounds that each person has sold in that 4 week period.

The top earner sold £8,661.15 in that period and the lowest earner sold £764.11

The average is £1,464.10

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Ha ha

The top one earns a miliiona week we all know that

What does the ave. one earn per week???

Is each of these figures what each perosn retails over a 4 week period???

If so.......the numbers dont stack up for me???

Regards
John

Why don't they stack up John? They are proof of what each person / persons have personally retailed in a 4 week period, kleeneze themselves do not give these figures out therefore I cannot link to anywhere else that shows them.

I have the email from my group leader that shows the top retailers in my group but after the previous poster complained about me naming names I am not prepared to publish them on this site. I will say the top retailer in my group (NOT in my team), retailed 5930 pts which is £6,967 in the 4 weeks the figures go down to the 30th retailer who did 863 pts or £1014. Our group only shows retailers down to £1000+ there will be others who did not retail £1000.

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

The figures are points, if you multiply the figure by 1.175 the result is the amount in pounds that each person has sold in that 4 week period.

The top earner sold £8,661.15 in that period and the lowest earner sold £764.11

The average is £1,464.10

Cheers Geordie :T Into Footie???

So........ the ave. according to this link is £1464........ which is £366 per week........which @ 21% comm is............. £77 GROSS earnings......... Am I on the right track here???

Still confused :eek:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

No, I was recruited by a friend (Brian Harwood) who I had been involved with in other network companies in the past. When he decided to join Kleeneze I told him I wasn't interested at the time but to come back to me when he was making money because all the previous companies we had been involved with we had lost money, about 6 to 8 months after he joined he came back to me and proved to me what his income was and what he had paid out and I decided to join. I am part of Gavin Scott's group, way down in his business and I have seen him at the big meetings but I do not personally know him.

Cheers Pete.

Where is Brian Harwood on this long list???

Looks like you one of the better people on the list, is that fair to say???

Regards
John