Kleeneeze or Betterware?

geordie_joe

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Any answers to this one plsssssssssss

Regards John

That's impossible to answer, as it depends on the people behind the doors you put your catalogues through.

You may put out 100 catalogues in one area and get one order, and in another area you'll get ten orders.

If you read through all the kleeneze threads, you will notice that the people who only want to do the catalogues, and not recruit others, quote a much smaller order figure than those who are actively recruiting others.

You will also notice that those who only do the catalogues say the number of orders goes down each time you put out the catalogues. As those who did order the first time don't order again.

But those who are recruiting say that once a person has ordered once they continue to place orders every time.

petestan

geordie_joe wrote: »

That's impossible to answer, as it depends on the people behind the doors you put your catalogues through.

You may put out 100 catalogues in one area and get one order, and in another area you'll get ten orders.

If you read through all the kleeneze threads, you will notice that the people who only want to do the catalogues, and not recruit others, quote a much smaller order figure than those who are actively recruiting others.

You will also notice that those who only do the catalogues say the number of orders goes down each time you put out the catalogues. As those who did order the first time don't order again.

But those who are recruiting say that once a person has ordered once they continue to place orders every time.

You are right in that it does depend upon how many catalogues you put out and there area in which they go to, I disagree totally and have the orders to prove that people never order again as I have said previously some people will order once and then never again but the vast majority of my customers have ordered a lot more than once, I have quite a few who have been ordering from me for the 8 years I have been doing kleeneze, not necessarily every time, some order every 8 or 12 weeks some every 6 months, but they still order again.
If people never order again how come the top retailer in kleeneze did 12,000+ pts in period 7 and has been the top retailer in kleeneze for 6 years now. If people never order again they would have run out of customers long since you cannot move on to every single town / city in the country to find new customers.
One distributor on the list P Tonkin moved from the North West of England to Guernsey and had to start afresh as a new distributor with no customers if no one orders surely on an island such as that previous distributors would have been around every single house on the island and no one would be ordering from him yet he did 6100 pts in period 8.
Some distributors start up and have a really good start with £2+ average a catalogue put out and some start and get 25p / 50p per book it is impossible to say what will happen but they will get more orders next time around.
As I am on customer base (I have long since dropped the houses that haven't ordered) I now average £3.50 to £4+ a catalogue. I do still do blanket drops to find new customers every so often as customers move or die but it is occasionally not every time I go out.

I seem to be wasting my time here I answer a question and then a few posts later the same question comes up again with the same answers from me and the same non belief from you guys.
No matter what I say so, you are never going to believe me you just think I am scamming you, I have better things to do than sit here answering the same things over and over again, so reluctantly I will leave you to it.

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

You are right in that it does depend upon how many catalogues you put out and there area in which they go to, I disagree totally and have the orders to prove that people never order again as I have said previously some people will order once and then never again but the vast majority of my customers have ordered a lot more than once, I have quite a few who have been ordering from me for the 8 years I have been doing kleeneze, not necessarily every time, some order every 8 or 12 weeks some every 6 months, but they still order again.
If people never order again how come the top retailer in kleeneze did 12,000+ pts in period 7 and has been the top retailer in kleeneze for 6 years now. If people never order again they would have run out of customers long since you cannot move on to every single town / city in the country to find new customers.
One distributor on the list P Tonkin moved from the North West of England to Guernsey and had to start afresh as a new distributor with no customers if no one orders surely on an island such as that previous distributors would have been around every single house on the island and no one would be ordering from him yet he did 6100 pts in period 8.
Some distributors start up and have a really good start with £2+ average a catalogue put out and some start and get 25p / 50p per book it is impossible to say what will happen but they will get more orders next time around.
As I am on customer base (I have long since dropped the houses that haven't ordered) I now average £3.50 to £4+ a catalogue. I do still do blanket drops to find new customers every so often as customers move or die but it is occasionally not every time I go out.

I seem to be wasting my time here I answer a question and then a few posts later the same question comes up again with the same answers from me and the same non belief from you guys.
No matter what I say so, you are never going to believe me you just think I am scamming you, I have better things to do than sit here answering the same things over and over again, so reluctantly I will leave you to it.

Hi Pete

Thanks again for the reply :T

I think once again you are correct with your answers. :money:

You try an area, if your lucky & there's not a rep (Or 5, FACT) in that area who could beat you up & steal your books, (FACT) you find your customers & as you say you NOW after 8 years probably get £4 per book you put out. When customers drop off you go out again, mass drop an area with I presume old books or more books you have to buy, to look for new customers. Sounds about right

How much does a kit cost??? Lets say £150. How many books do I get, lets say 200. You put all them books out & what's my return going to be (I answered a standard Kleeneze advert saying earn £400 - £600......... So...... £100 per week)??? 200 cats out & my return is lets say £200 - £42 in comm. I lose 50 of these books so that costs me another £30. (I cant place this first £200 order because its will cost me a £6 delivery charge by a courier, who I will have to wait in all day for, also I haven't a fax so I have to pay £7.50 to use the ordering sytem) I put out the 150 books (I have to place an order of over £250 to get a free delivery) & I get another £150 in sales & lose another 50 books, So I now have a order of that £350 order I will have out of stocks & will have to order another 100 books costing me another £60. So week one I would've paid out £220 & earned £70 & that is if i'm very very luckly. Have I missed anything or is this fair to say???

BUT........ you have benn doing this for 8 years :eek: & last period you had 2100 points???? Without checking back, how much roughly do you earn per week net or gross???

I dont think I'm asking for the same answers & I have said I beleive (Blimey, sounds like I'm in a cult now) that the ones @ the top are earning very good money, so that is fact.

I think as we've worked out teh average one earns about £100 per week in cash minius lots & lots & lots of charges, am I right here??? Without reading back over what has been wrote.

It would be great if Geordie Joe/you could give us & everyone else reading this some figures some actual figures of what people earn. I'm not interested in MR/MRS BIG who earns millions per week & the bimbo looking wife driving her Porsche, anyone can get a Porsche!

It just seems to me that there are 80/90% earning about nothing under the fake illusion of being financially free.

I had a similar conversation with Mr Tim Pace, who couldn't answer all of my questions withot running off in a hissy fit or going back to his upline to get an answer. Apparantley he's in the top 10% of Kleeneze, been there 15 years

So, I do hope you an supply me with some answers........:D Hows Holland & Germany doing??? Any idea???

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

That's impossible to answer, as it depends on the people behind the doors you put your catalogues through.

You may put out 100 catalogues in one area and get one order, and in another area you'll get ten orders.

If you read through all the kleeneze threads, you will notice that the people who only want to do the catalogues, and not recruit others, quote a much smaller order figure than those who are actively recruiting others.

You will also notice that those who only do the catalogues say the number of orders goes down each time you put out the catalogues. As those who did order the first time don't order again.

But those who are recruiting say that once a person has ordered once they continue to place orders every time.

Hi again & I think your right Joe .

I think most of them are full of........ :cool:

I asked my mate who works for Betterware the same question (I know your reading this!!!) so I better get my facts straight.

He says they quote that 1 in 10 always order & the average spend is about £10 per customer. He says these figures normally stack up in 95% of his area's so only about 5% is lower. Some areas are much better than the figures quoted BUT they never ever quote higher.

He says because they have a territory control system with one rep/one manager/one regional manager for every one area you get to know where these areas are.

The big difference I can work out is, Betterware never over sells, they seem quite honest & ethical. No they dont earn fortunes. But if you put all the pluses & minuses together there is only one clear message for me & as the title of this original thread is that BETTERWARE is a far far greater earning opportunity than Kleenzee

Regards
John

geordie_joe

Here is what the bottom few distributors earned. In pounds, not points.

But don't forget, these people are at the bottom of the "Top Retailers" list, there will be people who earned less than this and didn't make it onto the "Top Retailers" list.


£778.60
£778.36
£777.86
£777.73
£777.59
£776.26
£776.21
£776.03
£775.57
£775.54
£775.30
£775.04
£774.84
£774.82
£774.77
£774.27
£773.87
£773.54
£773.49
£773.43
£772.84
£772.79
£771.07
£770.99
£770.82
£770.64
£770.54
£770.32
£770.22
£770.08
£769.74
£769.18
£768.98
£768.80
£767.69
£767.50
£767.30
£767.00
£766.41
£766.06
£765.71
£765.34
£765.29
£765.05
£764.83
£764.83
£764.63
£764.11

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

Here is what the bottom few distributors earned. In pounds, not points.

But don't forget, these people are at the bottom of the "Top Retailers" list, there will be people who earned less than this and didn't make it onto the "Top Retailers" list.


£778.60
£778.36
£777.86
£777.73
£777.59
£776.26
£776.21
£776.03
£775.57
£775.54
£775.30
£775.04
£774.84
£774.82
£774.77
£774.27
£773.87
£773.54
£773.49
£773.43
£772.84
£772.79
£771.07
£770.99
£770.82
£770.64
£770.54
£770.32
£770.22
£770.08
£769.74
£769.18
£768.98
£768.80
£767.69
£767.50
£767.30
£767.00
£766.41
£766.06
£765.71
£765.34
£765.29
£765.05
£764.83
£764.83
£764.63
£764.11

£780 / 4 weeks = £195 per week (£6 per week to get this delivered) = £41 per week GROSS income MINUS expenses

Great opportunity that isn't it :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thanks!

Regards
John

petestan

Hi guys, no point in replying you know ALL the answers even though none of you except peter pan have ever even tried Kleeneze or Betterware, cheers, Pete.

geordie_joe

petestan wrote: »

Hi guys, no point in replying you know ALL the answers even though none of you except peter pan have ever even tried Kleeneze or Betterware, cheers, Pete.

I thought you were going to leave us to it?

But since you are here, you are wrong, I have tried kleeneze, in the north east and down here in dorset so I do know what I am talking about.

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

Hi guys, no point in replying you know ALL the answers even though none of you except peter pan have ever even tried Kleeneze or Betterware, cheers, Pete.

Shame to see you go.......OH......... your back again

You seem a nice person BUT very typical of Kleeneze

When you cant give answers in your favour you go. :mad: Thats what Tim Pace did on a Gumtree forum not so long ago.

FYI........I've never tried Kleeneze, I did Amway approx 25 years ago.

This thread is about Kleeneze or Betterware & no doubt in my mind who the winner is..........& it isn't Kleeneze

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

geordie_joe wrote: »

I thought you were going to leave us to it?

But since you are here, you are wrong, I have tried kleeneze, in the north east and down here in dorset so I do know what I am talking about.

Hi Joe

Lovely part of the world Dorset, a bit like the North East :cool:

Probably popping down to Bournemouth area tomorrow fro aday on the beach, easy to get to from Oxfordshire

Regards
John