Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

Ypaymore wrote: »

John. You gave me an idea a boat with a join Betterware/ Kleeneze etc etc ad on side.:D



Might help to get more students on board.

See: http://www.gradplus.com/graduate-news/cosmetics-giant-looking-for-new-army-of-graduates-19913450.aspx

Thats a great pic. I'm the one at the back:rotfl:

Did you get this off the kleeneze site :rotfl:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I've just looked the TSA (Territory Sales Agent) role as i hadn't heard of that before, looks like its a full time role - just wonder what hours they expect for that as it still says fit around family and must be able to give the Business your full attention. With this role you are also responsible for banking the monies and placing your own orders which the Distributor role doesn't.

The Distributor role expects you to deliver 250 catalogues eac week so i would imagine the TSA role would mean a commitment to more than that each week.
Can anyone tell me if there are targets that have to be met with these roles, i would imagine there are as this would be evidence you are doing what you should be doing, i would love to know what the figures are.

Hi PP

My mate says (I wish he would come on here, but he says he's still changing his pants reading the replies) he ask his team to set an expectation of around 280 books per week for 10 hours to develop around £250+ per week. This doesn't always worrk out but they are flexible on this. He says to deliver & collect 250/280 books should take approx 8 hours

The next role is advertised as a more full-time role but he says he uses this role as more a stepping stone to the Area Manager role. They are targeted to achieve £600 per week sales (£180 cash) @ 30% plus bonuses/international p-ups/incentives. He says he has two of these people working for him at the moment, one who has an area & will deliver approx 250 books to get anywhere from £400-£900 per week (Already gots load of customers) & another one who has only just started. Yes you have to bank your own money back to a local Post Office (Chqs are made payable to Betterware you take your earnings is Cash). Yes you place your orders on line (Takes no time at all). Yes this is all still FREE of CHARGE. This is not a full time role, Betterware want you to do it full time, BUT this is still very part-time & flexible

I hope this helps :T

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

petestan wrote: »

I have NEVER at any time said I was earning the mega bucks with kleeneze, I earn enough to have a decent living and that suits me, do I presume you are earning £25,000+ a year then John?
I don't live down South I live in the North West of England where wages are a hell of a lot less.

I said I have seen it happen to other people, you get out of any business what you are prepared put in and I am happy doing what I do.

PS, Good for your Betterware friend, I have a mate up in Scotland who did it for a while, they have the same problems as Kleeneze despite what he tells you, as in people start and do nothing even though they get everything FREE sometimes they put the catalogues out and never go back for them sometimes they don't even put them out.
Except if the Betterware guy / gal does a runner overnight which apparently happened to his upline or whatever they are called a couple of times, HE still has to pay Betterware the money that person owes him perhaps £300 or £400 depending upon what he delivered to them the previous week that has to come out of his own profit / pocket, at least with Kleeneze everyone gets their OWN credit account and deal direct with the company so they go chasing after them to pay and not you.
The upline also has to sort out about a dozen or more individual agents orders (Must need a garage / large working area at least and it takes me an hour to sort my individual order so how long does it take to sort a dozen or more) and deliver them to the agent, they cannot leave the order somewhere safe (like I arrange to do with my order) as they want the cash from the previous week so they may have to wait around for that person / persons.
Also as I mentioned earlier what happened to a customer of mine, the supposed 12 month guarantee is no good if the new agent won't give the customer a refund as the old agent sold it to them not the new agent.

No doubt you will twist what I have said again though John.

Hi Pete, thanks again I was getting lonely without you

Your right :T you have never said your earn mega bucks HOWEVER this list you gave us a link to places you in 100th place out of how many....was it 2600 dream seekers. :rotfl: So pls forgive me I though this business was fantastic. IT ISN'T really is it after drilling down your FACTS. IN FACT it is VERY POOR & STRUGGLING, you might be doing OK & thats all you need to worry about my good friend BUT dont preach to others on here how fanatstic KLEENEZE is BECAUSE is isn't :mad:


I get the feeling that as no one can come on this thread & put up a decent agrument/banter/facts etc. that the only reason you keep replying is that you are keeping this thread alive with the hop that some person might join Kleeneze. I do hope not :eek:

As for you last effort & retort against Betterware, these are the facts (As I've been told) The Betterware manager pays a visit to each of his reps once a week. The goods arrive from Betterware in a box already packed for that rep. SO it goes from the Betterware lorry into the managers Ferrari......opppppssss Car:rotfl:& to the rep. The rubbish you write about reps running off with the money is KLEENEZE RUBBISH THAT [EMAIL="YOU@VE"]YOU'VE[/EMAIL] BEEN FED, he said he's heard it before & its complete RUBBISH. BUT..... The manager does pay into an insurance which covers them against bad debt, so you are covered against reps running off with the cash. DOES THIS ANSWER YOU Again I have no need to doubt him

The 12 month gaurtantee piece is he states No they dont get it 100% right BUT even if they lose a rep, there is normally always a manager who will refund a customer. IF the customer rings HQ someone will refund them. This doesn't happy in Kleeneze does its :cool:

What does tell me something is that my mate will never slate Kleeneze, he works part time, he's not stupid, he has a very nice lifestyle, big house, two flash cars, maybe that why he works for Betterware

C'mon you can do better than that, get one of your Ferrari driving uplines on here

Regards again
John

BeautyandtheBeast_3

I had both the Kleeneze and Betterware reps to see me, i choose Betterware as 1) it was free 2) i had my own designated area 3) i hadnt seen a book in my area.

I did fairly well in my short time - by that i mean i was able to afford little luxuries and so on. I didnt like the Kleeneze man as he was giving a lot about the projected sales and showed me lots of photographs of him and his wife at these conferences in HK etc. I just took it with a pinch of salt and opted for the free one.
I have since realised i can make way more money doing tutoring than i could do walking the streets in all weathers.

petestan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Hi Pete, thanks again I was getting lonely without you

Your right :T you have never said your earn mega bucks HOWEVER this list you gave us a link to places you in 100th place out of how many....was it 2600 dream seekers. :rotfl: So pls forgive me I though this business was fantastic. IT ISN'T really is it after drilling down your FACTS. IN FACT it is VERY POOR & STRUGGLING, you might be doing OK & thats all you need to worry about my good friend BUT dont preach to others on here how fanatstic KLEENEZE is BECAUSE is isn't :mad:


I get the feeling that as no one can come on this thread & put up a decent agrument/banter/facts etc. that the only reason you keep replying is that you are keeping this thread alive with the hop that some person might join Kleeneze. I do hope not :eek:

As for you last effort & retort against Betterware, these are the facts (As I've been told) The Betterware manager pays a visit to each of his reps once a week. The goods arrive from Betterware in a box already packed for that rep. SO it goes from the Betterware lorry into the managers Ferrari......opppppssss Car:rotfl:& to the rep. The rubbish you write about reps running off with the money is KLEENEZE RUBBISH THAT YOU'VE BEEN FED, he said he's heard it before & its complete RUBBISH. BUT..... The manager does pay into an insurance which covers them against bad debt, so you are covered against reps running off with the cash. DOES THIS ANSWER YOU Again I have no need to doubt him

The 12 month gaurtantee piece is he states No they dont get it 100% right BUT even if they lose a rep, there is normally always a manager who will refund a customer. IF the customer rings HQ someone will refund them. This doesn't happy in Kleeneze does its :cool:

What does tell me something is that my mate will never slate Kleeneze, he works part time, he's not stupid, he has a very nice lifestyle, big house, two flash cars, maybe that why he works for Betterware

C'mon you can do better than that, get one of your Ferrari driving uplines on here

Regards again
John

Ok John, but the link I put up is personal retail only as has been mentioned the big money in kleeneze is made through team building and I have no idea how to show you that because I don't know who is in who's team or how big their teams are.

I guess I shouldn't have bothered trying way back when this started but if someone was slagging off the company you worked for (ok I am not am employee I am self employed) you would defend them if you thought an injustice was being done.

I keep coming on here to answer your questions to the best of my ability why would I try and get people to join kleeneze when I have deliberately taken the link out of my profile to my website so that YOU and others cannot accuse me of trying to get people to join up.

As for the Betterware comments I can only tell you what my mate told me. Obviously you won't agree but IMO Kleeneze is a far better company than Betterware for the public with by far a lot more choice for customers, 1 catalogue versus 4 so a far better chance of getting an order, their prices are similar also we are more expensive on some items they are more expensive on others but were not going into that again or I will be accused of slagging the opposition off like you do. I guess your Betterware mate doesn't need to come on here and defend his company as you are all doing it for him.

No matter what I or anyone else says you have you views on kleeneze and I have mine so ok you win.

Peter_Pan

BeautyandtheBeast wrote: »

I had both the Kleeneze and Betterware reps to see me, i choose Betterware as 1) it was free 2) i had my own designated area 3) i hadnt seen a book in my area.

I did fairly well in my short time - by that i mean i was able to afford little luxuries and so on. I didnt like the Kleeneze man as he was giving a lot about the projected sales and showed me lots of photographs of him and his wife at these conferences in HK etc. I just took it with a pinch of salt and opted for the free one.
I have since realised i can make way more money doing tutoring than i could do walking the streets in all weathers.

Am i the only one who finds pics of people at conferences, fancy cars and huge cheques a turn off? I joined Kleeneze cos i had 3 young children and wanted to earn a few extra £££s to help the family while still being at home with the children and then got "led" into the team building but was never tempted by the holidays, fancy cars i just wanted to have an income to save me going back to full time work. If i had been approached to join showing the cars and holidays i wouldn't have joined. Perhaps thats why i'm back in the industry now because with Wikaniko its not about hols, fancy cars its about helping the environment and helping people earn an extra income in these tough times.
Guess thats why its crucial to find the prospects "why" they want to join. If people did that and were honest about the hard work, the time and effort involved to build a good customer base rather than getting people to join whatever it takes and hope they see the bigger picture (which is how many people recruit) perhaps just perhaps the industry wouldn't be even such a hard time.

petestan

Peter_Pan wrote: »

Am i the only one who finds pics of people at conferences, fancy cars and huge cheques a turn off? I joined Kleeneze cos i had 3 young children and wanted to earn a few extra £££s to help the family while still being at home with the children and then got "led" into the team building but was never tempted by the holidays, fancy cars i just wanted to have an income to save me going back to full time work. If i had been approached to join showing the cars and holidays i wouldn't have joined. Perhaps thats why i'm back in the industry now because with Wikaniko its not about hols, fancy cars its about helping the environment and helping people earn an extra income in these tough times.
Guess thats why its crucial to find the prospects "why" they want to join. If people did that and were honest about the hard work, the time and effort involved to build a good customer base rather than getting people to join whatever it takes and hope they see the bigger picture (which is how many people recruit) perhaps just perhaps the industry wouldn't be even such a hard time.

Good point peter pan, I suppose most people who are "recruiting" do it that way because that's the way they have always done it, they are taught to do it that way by their upline and they were probably brought in that way themselves.
For me it was a way to get out of my job and the woodworking industry which I couldn't stand any longer after being made redundant twice in 4 months, I just wanted to be my own boss and I hoped this would be the one after trying various others previously.

BeautyandtheBeast_3

tbh - i think i would much rather go to primark, ikea, argos to get my bits and bobs, with the exception of argos - at least you can see and feel the quality of what you are buying.

A_nice_fellow

Peter Pan,

I just had a look at wikiano and I've never seen such nonsense products. Things like the Universal Fuel Saver are pseudoscientific scams and you should really be ashamed of yourself selling them for any price.

geordie_joe

A_nice_fellow wrote: »

Peter Pan,

I just had a look at wikiano and I've never seen such nonsense products. Things like the Universal Fuel Saver are pseudoscientific scams and you should really be ashamed of yourself selling them for any price.

Wikaniko claim they have emails from customers who are very happy with them.